Some help

Hogwarts · 02-28-2008, 05:43 PM

Well, I'm a beginner in the Arabic, so I don't understand some things.So..
First :
Why there must be هو in a sentence like this:
مسطف هو الرجل
Why it can't be just مسطف الرجل
And the second question that i want to ask you is about the DUAL.What is all about.In general what is the difference between the "normal" plural and the dual.
I think that dual is for 2 people, singular is for 1 person and plural is for many peoples.But I don't know if I'm right.
Thanks/ ٍShukran

Klowj · 02-28-2008, 07:18 PM

Welcome here Hogwart!

I'm always glad to see new people who are learning Arabic like myself (I've been learning for two years now).

I'd try to answer your question, but could you tell us what you intended to say first?

For the dual, I know it is strange to use it when nothing like this exists in English. But you are right, it is used for two persons. If I am not mistaken, they do not use dual in dialects.
Here are the personal pronouns:

I = أنا
You (sing, m) = أنتَ
You (sing, f) = أنتِ
He = هو
She = هي

We = نحن
(same for dual and plural)
You two = أنتما
(same for m and f)
They two = هما
(same for m and f. but take care, the verb form change even if it is the same pronoun)

We = نحن
(same for dual and plural)
You (plur, m) = أنتم
You (plur, f) = أنتنّ
They (plur, m) = هم
They (plur, f) = هنّ

devanymfix · 02-28-2008, 07:33 PM

Hello and Welcome to the forum

After all, what's مسطف? do you mean معطف = Coat? then we can discuss your question.

And as klowj said, the dual is used for 2, we use plural only when its 3 and more. The verb change depending on who you are talking about (yourself (I), or him (he) or her(she) or both (dual), or many(they)...)
great work klowj !!

Hogwarts · 02-29-2008, 01:51 PM

I use it for the name Mustafa.That's an example from my book.But unfortunately I couldn't understand the rule about it.
PS:Thanks for the warm welcome.

Klowj · 02-29-2008, 01:53 PM

This is what I thought...

I think I will let the "experts" explain it :D

devanymfix · 02-29-2008, 02:49 PM

I sais that in my mind too, this is how to write the name Mustafa :مصطفى

مصطفى هو الرجل= Mustafa is the man... (it's not a completed sentence, except if you wanna say : Mustafa is the man who sold the world

or something like this , so هو in this sentence mean "is".

مصطفى الرجل = Mustafa the man

Did I explain it good? if not just ask

Hogwarts · 02-29-2008, 04:46 PM

So, if I understood right, hua is writing only if there is al before the objet.For example Mustafa is THE man, so there is THE and there must have hua.
Mustafa is a man, so there isn't THE, so there musn't haver hua.
Is it right?

02-28-2008, 05:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hogwarts Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Hogwarts is an unknown character at this point	Some help Well, I'm a beginner in the Arabic, so I don't understand some things.So.. First : Why there must be هو in a sentence like this: مسطف هو الرجل Why it can't be just مسطف الرجل And the second question that i want to ask you is about the DUAL.What is all about.In general what is the difference between the "normal" plural and the dual. I think that dual is for 2 people, singular is for 1 person and plural is for many peoples.But I don't know if I'm right. Thanks/ ٍShukran
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02-28-2008, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Klowj International Forum Fan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Québec, Canada Posts: 767 Klowj is on a distinguished road	Welcome here Hogwart! I'm always glad to see new people who are learning Arabic like myself (I've been learning for two years now). I'd try to answer your question, but could you tell us what you intended to say first? For the dual, I know it is strange to use it when nothing like this exists in English. But you are right, it is used for two persons. If I am not mistaken, they do not use dual in dialects. Here are the personal pronouns: I = أنا You (sing, m) = أنتَ You (sing, f) = أنتِ He = هو She = هي We = نحن (same for dual and plural) You two = أنتما (same for m and f) They two = هما (same for m and f. but take care, the verb form change even if it is the same pronoun) We = نحن (same for dual and plural) You (plur, m) = أنتم You (plur, f) = أنتنّ They (plur, m) = هم They (plur, f) = هنّ __________________ Mon blog: Rihla "The only real prison is fear, and the only real freedom is freedom from fear" -Aung San Su Kyi Last edited by Klowj; 02-28-2008 at 07:21 PM.
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02-28-2008, 07:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
devanymfix M£RI£M Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 783 devanymfix is on a distinguished road	Hello and Welcome to the forum After all, what's مسطف? do you mean معطف = Coat? then we can discuss your question. And as klowj said, the dual is used for 2, we use plural only when its 3 and more. The verb change depending on who you are talking about (yourself (I), or him (he) or her(she) or both (dual), or many(they)...) great work klowj !! __________________ إذا علمت رجلا فإنك تعلم فردا وإذا علمت أمرأة فإنك تعلم أمة Do you speak Moroccan ? / Parlez-vous Marocain ? Yes \| No Why I don't like Tattoos ?? \| \|
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02-29-2008, 01:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hogwarts Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Hogwarts is an unknown character at this point	I use it for the name Mustafa.That's an example from my book.But unfortunately I couldn't understand the rule about it. PS:Thanks for the warm welcome.
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02-29-2008, 01:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Klowj International Forum Fan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Québec, Canada Posts: 767 Klowj is on a distinguished road	This is what I thought... I think I will let the "experts" explain it :D __________________ Mon blog: Rihla "The only real prison is fear, and the only real freedom is freedom from fear" -Aung San Su Kyi
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02-29-2008, 02:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
devanymfix M£RI£M Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 783 devanymfix is on a distinguished road	I sais that in my mind too, this is how to write the name Mustafa :مصطفى مصطفى هو الرجل= Mustafa is the man... (it's not a completed sentence, except if you wanna say : Mustafa is the man who sold the world or something like this , so هو in this sentence mean "is". مصطفى الرجل = Mustafa the man Did I explain it good? if not just ask __________________ إذا علمت رجلا فإنك تعلم فردا وإذا علمت أمرأة فإنك تعلم أمة Do you speak Moroccan ? / Parlez-vous Marocain ? Yes \| No Why I don't like Tattoos ?? \| \|
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02-29-2008, 04:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hogwarts Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Hogwarts is an unknown character at this point	So, if I understood right, hua is writing only if there is al before the objet.For example Mustafa is THE man, so there is THE and there must have hua. Mustafa is a man, so there isn't THE, so there musn't haver hua. Is it right?
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