Do you think that people are good or bad by nature? - Page 3

dusio · 08-01-2007, 08:00 AM

Right. Pople are animals. We have consciousness, I can't deny it, but people are not perfect, not better than other living creatures. We just need faith to justify most of are acts, but we do not come from God. We come from Nature. God did not create a man. A man did create God. So, I think that we are even worse than other living animals. That's my opinion.

voyageur · 08-02-2007, 07:59 PM

I think by nature there is no good or bad. An animal kill an other animal for food; good or bad? Crual or not? This is the man who put or create value. The man born. That's all. The question of good and bad is aman (or a religion) problem. It's hard to define those notions. Hope at least that men don't kill each others (others men), I think that is good...... Sorry for my french english..

tomaszwit · 08-03-2007, 04:32 PM

I could maybe agree with you but people DO kill each other. There are many wars, even nowadays

voyageur · 08-08-2007, 04:50 PM

First, I believe everybody forget that without conscience there is question of good or bad. It requieres at least two consciences to devise a scale of good or bad. "don't do things to anyone else that you don't want he does to you", it 's the first way to do exist, and quantify good and bad.
However we are also mammals, animals. So we have some instincts like protect us goods, territory, keep away men from our female companion, for some
an imperial desir to be the best, the first: rivalry.....
I think we can't qualify our instincts bad. But since we are social animals, we have to chasten the intensity of or instincts so as to not hit or kill no matter who.

dusio · 08-09-2007, 09:21 AM

I still think that people are bad by nature. We do not kill only because we need it to survive but because we do love it. We are perfect at killing. We can make other people suffer not because it is a kind of a necessity, but because we love to see other people ( or other living creatuers ) suffer. A couple of days ago my mother saw 3 boys in age about 10 or 11. Do you know what those kids did in front of my mother's eyes. They've catched a pigeon and just ripped off his head. Yes, boys...kids...children. Not soldiers or murderers but children. Only for fun. My mother wanted to take them to the police but they just escaped and maybe now they are killing a cat or a dog, who knows? So, good by nature? I don't think so.

psycho darko · 08-11-2007, 10:25 PM

no we kill for food naturaly it is enviromentaly that we do it for plesure
we kill each other just as animals kill each other just on a grander scale as we have apposable thumbs and can manipulate tools ppl are neutral neither good nore bad till the enviroment shapes the person

dusio · 08-12-2007, 07:24 PM

Ok, I agree - environmental influences are very important...
Neutral? How do you understand it? I know, tabula rasa, and so on... but I have many doubts...

08-01-2007, 08:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
dusio Only death is certain... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I live in Poland Posts: 847 dusio is learning to walk	In my opinion... Right. Pople are animals. We have consciousness, I can't deny it, but people are not perfect, not better than other living creatures. We just need faith to justify most of are acts, but we do not come from God. We come from Nature. God did not create a man. A man did create God. So, I think that we are even worse than other living animals. That's my opinion.
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08-02-2007, 07:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
voyageur Growing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France Posts: 27 voyageur is an unknown character at this point	I think by nature there is no good or bad. An animal kill an other animal for food; good or bad? Crual or not? This is the man who put or create value. The man born. That's all. The question of good and bad is aman (or a religion) problem. It's hard to define those notions. Hope at least that men don't kill each others (others men), I think that is good...... Sorry for my french english..
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08-03-2007, 04:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
tomaszwit Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalisz, Poland Posts: 87 Blog Entries: 1 tomaszwit is an unknown character at this point	I could maybe agree with you but people DO kill each other. There are many wars, even nowadays __________________ "The bigger deal is to conquer your own language then the foreign one"(Antoni Regulski) but I still want to learn as many languages as I can. "Większą sztuką jest opanować język własny niż język obcy"(Antoni Regulski), ale ja wciąż chce się nauczyć tylu języków ilu jestem w stanie.
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08-08-2007, 04:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
voyageur Growing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France Posts: 27 voyageur is an unknown character at this point	First, I believe everybody forget that without conscience there is question of good or bad. It requieres at least two consciences to devise a scale of good or bad. "don't do things to anyone else that you don't want he does to you", it 's the first way to do exist, and quantify good and bad. However we are also mammals, animals. So we have some instincts like protect us goods, territory, keep away men from our female companion, for some an imperial desir to be the best, the first: rivalry..... I think we can't qualify our instincts bad. But since we are social animals, we have to chasten the intensity of or instincts so as to not hit or kill no matter who.
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08-09-2007, 09:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
dusio Only death is certain... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I live in Poland Posts: 847 dusio is learning to walk	Listen to this... I still think that people are bad by nature. We do not kill only because we need it to survive but because we do love it. We are perfect at killing. We can make other people suffer not because it is a kind of a necessity, but because we love to see other people ( or other living creatuers ) suffer. A couple of days ago my mother saw 3 boys in age about 10 or 11. Do you know what those kids did in front of my mother's eyes. They've catched a pigeon and just ripped off his head. Yes, boys...kids...children. Not soldiers or murderers but children. Only for fun. My mother wanted to take them to the police but they just escaped and maybe now they are killing a cat or a dog, who knows? So, good by nature? I don't think so. Last edited by dusio; 08-10-2007 at 07:24 PM.
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08-11-2007, 10:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
psycho darko Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 34 psycho darko is an unknown character at this point	no we kill for food naturaly it is enviromentaly that we do it for plesure we kill each other just as animals kill each other just on a grander scale as we have apposable thumbs and can manipulate tools ppl are neutral neither good nore bad till the enviroment shapes the person __________________ http://world6.monstersgame.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=114295570
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08-12-2007, 07:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
dusio Only death is certain... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I live in Poland Posts: 847 dusio is learning to walk	I agree... Ok, I agree - environmental influences are very important... Neutral? How do you understand it? I know, tabula rasa, and so on... but I have many doubts...
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