ferenk

No, God does'nt exist, because It has no necessity. On the contrary, faith does exist, but as a mere human and even psychological fact. God is as pure as a mere idea, and as a mere idea, It does exist - in humans' mind. Having faith can be very noble or useful (in difficult moments), but it doesn't allow anybody to speak, as a personal motive. On the contrary, reason is universally shared, and makes us able to discuss one with the other. What a pity it raised against God's existence...
Have a nice godless day!

bentayeb nacera

I like nature. can one tell me how come that a rose is a rose; how leaves are leaves? I mean their shapes, their color....divirsity and even the human being has is own shape,color..... this differences can't come like this, of course one (I said one) is behind all this.because if we say some are behind this, one day they will disagree and you will see that the roses will change into something else, or the human into monster ....so every creature is in order, so who ordered all this according to you?!but creating a rock bigger than the power of the creator, is stupid. this creator is intelligent more intelligent that one can imagine......(sobhanah, allah wahdaho la charika laho).to german poster

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nacera:

Shall I compare berberber to shining stars?
Thou art more friendly and more tolerate:
The friends do say the ideas of their minds
And me hath to say too in any date

ferenk

Dear nacera,
I'm not quite sure that, as you say, every creature is in order. People may become, or are, jealous, too proud of themselves, bad, etc. Even nature shows a picture full of absurd death (fights between animals, earthquakes and so on). Does God want this malfunction? Was It unable to undo it? I agree with you about beauty of Creation : but even there, one finds beautiful what another does'nt. Your position, as you spell it, cannot work, because it's founded on fragile personal unreasonable basement. I'm sorry for you.

bentayeb nacera

dear ferenk,
I want to give the most simple example that seems fragile personal unreasonable basement to you, so don't be sorry. As I said before, philosophy is not my business, but beleiving in God yes. I have faith in god and his messengers. when I said that everything is in order, it is in fact.the sun is in its place, the moon is in its place... did you one day see the moon in the place of the sun or of jupiter.....neither the night takes the time of the day nor the day takes the time of the night.the same case for the human being,the cells of the brain never change the place, tears never take the place of the ears liquid. the ear can't see, the eye can't hear. look at the organs of you body , they are ordered, we will not discover your heart in your stomak! I am speaking about these that are in order, but the feeling and the reaction of the human being change according to him not according to god. being jealous, proud or bad are man's decisions, because god gave as a brain to use it, I mean to think, to wander , to ask , to discover. the brain is a gift from god to make us different from animals .
Earthkwaques are caused by god yes because either he warns people or punish punish their dids, may be for other reasons that I don't know. death is god's decision, but if you suicide yourself you will be punished because this body is not yours, you didn't creat it.
to be clear , there are things that are decided by god and others left to us. I am so sorry for you.blindness of the mind is so bad than the blindness of the eye.

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nacera:

Shall I compare berberber to shining stars?
Thou art more friendly and more tolerate:
The friends do say the ideas of their minds
And me hath to say too in any date

ferenk

I don't think I am the blind one, but of course, I can fail. On the contrary, your faith is always right. And for me, that's enough to make me suspicious about it.

bentayeb nacera

dear ferenk,
yeah you must be suspisious because the words are not mine.this is truth,ferenk. it is in the sacred Quaran and I said it to you. There are other facts in it, so you check and then you will see

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nacera:

Shall I compare berberber to shining stars?
Thou art more friendly and more tolerate:
The friends do say the ideas of their minds
And me hath to say too in any date

born2.bfree777

Our faith is not always "right", only our God. Don't you think something got to be the point of reference in this messed up world?
Take a look at mathematics, this science would simply not exist without a point of reference, some absolute. The more we distance ourselves from such absolutes, the more mess we get, and than of course it's too embarrassing to face our mistakes so we blame God or others. People who reject God in my opinion are simply too immature to face their own insufficiency without Him.