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moon_dancer_withU · 09-23-2007, 06:09 PM

Please explain to me the "Pascal's pari"... I'm not familiar with it.

moon_dancer_withU · 09-23-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by moon_dancer_withU

Please explain to me the "Pascal's pari"... I'm not familiar with it.

It's a little bit like this...?

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Examinons donc ce point, et disons : Dieu est ou il n'est pas ; mais de quel côté pencherons-nous ? La raison n'y peut rien déterminer. Il y a un chaos infini qui nous sépare. Il se joue un jeu à l'extrémité de cette distance infinie, où il arrivera croix ou pile. Que gagerez-vous ? Par raison, vous ne pouvez faire ni l'un ni l'autre ; par raison, vous ne pouvez défendre nul des deux.

Ne blâmez donc pas de fausseté ceux qui ont pris un choix, car vous n'en savez rien. - Non, mais je les blâmerai d'avoir fait non ce choix, mais un choix, car encore que celui qui prend croix et l'autre soient en pareille faute, il sont tous deux en faute ; le juste est de ne point parier.

ferenk · 09-23-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moon_dancer_withU

It's a little bit like this...?

Absolutely, but Pascal goes on : "Oui, mais il faut parier; cela n'est pas volontaire, vous êtes embarqué. Lequel prendrez-vous? [...] Pesons le gain et la perte, en prenant croix que Dieu est. Estimons ces deux cas : si vous gagnez, vous gagnez tout; si vous perdez, vous ne perdez rien. Gagez donc qu'Il est, sans hésiter".
The text must be read completely, but what is interesting is that here, the Reason is used by the faith.

moon_dancer_withU · 09-23-2007, 06:36 PM

I think the problems that you have just exposed are subjacent to the major theme of the (in)existence of God and even if the latter cannot be reduced to them nor completely explained by them, the clash between beliefs/religions and the question of the aim/meaning of being are definetly worth debating.

moon_dancer_withU · 09-23-2007, 06:40 PM

Was Pascal a beliver?

ferenk · 09-23-2007, 06:49 PM

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Was Pascal a beliver?

Yes, definetely.

moon_dancer_withU · 09-23-2007, 07:09 PM

Well, I can't help wondering what his bet would have looked like if he were inclining on the other side...

Pascal admits that reason cannot determine anything, so he's inventing this funny little demonstration: let's suppose that God exists, let's toss a coin and then have a look at it: head or tale - you win if He exists and you believe that He exists, you "loose" if He doesn't exist but you believe that He exists. Did I get it right?
Quite a commercial way of seeing things, isn't it

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