ferenk

Please do excuse me if I seemed arrogant to you, it was'nt deliberate, it's just the passion of "talking". How can you be sure, yet, that your being has an aim? What are you, except a fact, a human and psychological fact, with hopes, fears, passions, desire, and so on? Do we need God to be this kind of (feeling) beings?

I_notGenerous

Your feeling is very sensitive now, I think I like it...sure you are not arrogant, but you are emotionally carried away..and deny the fact about living...sure we have a purpose of staying in this planet...(smile)...

God is the Almighty, the eternal and absolute and that is a fact and I am just a poor human being that need his mercy nothing like HIM, God is all merciful. Thank you.

moon_dancer_withU

You're welcome to express your disagreement on any of my ideas, Ferenk - it is a fruitful dialogue out of which I have a lot to learn from. The main thing is, probably, to understand as accurate as possible the other's stand.
Let me also add that in my opinion your English is crystal clear. There, let's go on with it then.

Perhaps we could agree on the fact that belivers and nonbelivers share at least one experience in common, which is the Search for God. The result of this capital search is, for the belivers - that they find Him, and for the nonbelivers - that they don't find Him. Faith becomes, in this light, an instrument of dealing with God, and reason - an instrument of dealing with the lack of God.

Reason is splendidly down to earth. It is a marvellous tool for describing and explaining most of our earthly experiences. Most of them, but not all.
Could God be explained? Described? Filtered through reason? Well... yes, He could. Up to a point. At least that's what Rene Guenon has attempted and briantlly managed in his works.

The good news is that somehow, someway, God seems to find the ways and the means of prooving Himself to those who are looking for Him. Which is awfully nice of Him, considering the disconfort brought by all this doubt and striving to get nearer or away from Him .

ferenk

Well, at least you're right : if God exists, it is absolutely what you describe.

ferenk

You seem to suppose that everybody is looking for God (the believers through faith, the unbelievers with their reason). But is it really true? The mere idea of a God depends on a cultural "landscape" - not only because there are so many different religions, but because God is a social and psychological construction (cf. for instance what Freud explains in The future of an illusion).

moon_dancer_withU

Your observation is correct. Evidently, not everyone is looking for God. Our discussion has led to the category beliver/unbeliver, so I used the given context to make that point.
God may exist (that it is if we admit that) even if nobody is looking for Him and He doesn't cease to exist because there is no human construct to contain Him. After all, God is supposed to have created man and not the other way around.
Others may have an opposite opinion on that matter, and you know what? That opinion is also perfectly valid. For them. Here and now.
After all, diversity makes life interesting, doesn't it?

ferenk

Well, that's right, and your position sounds like Pascal's "pari" (bet?!). The problem is then the clash between beliefs (i.e. religions) due to faith, and on a personal level, the question of the aim/meaning of being. Don't you think?