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Old 08-08-2006, 08:31 AM   #113 (permalink)
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Why did he become a preacher? According to him, when his colleagues stepped foot on the moon and didn't find God, they were pretty sure God didn't exist. He, however, was baffled by what he saw, and was sure that such a world must be created, and not an accident.
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Good comment, I must say.
They're not my words, they're from the mouth of that astronaut.
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They're not my words, they're from the mouth of that astronaut.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXAMPLE. I ALSO THINK THAT THE ASSUMPTION THAT "OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND" SHOULD BELONG TO THE PAST. WE SHOULD THINK SCIENTIFICLY. WE, HUMAN BEINGS CANNOT SEE THE RADIO WAVES, THE STRUCTURE OF A CELL, ETC., BUT WE USE DIFFERENT MEANS, IN ORDER TO SEE THE TRUTH(S), AND BELIEVE THE INFORMATION IS TRUE. UNDERSTANDING THE EXISTENCE OF AN OWNER OF THIS VAST PALACE OF UNIVERSE IS MUCH MORE SIMPLER THAN MANY SCIENTIFIC FACT, I THINK.
BUT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE FREE=RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHOICES ABOUT THE ISSUE, I THINK.
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What about your belief?
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:40 AM   #117 (permalink)
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My belief about the issue can be seen in my early messages. But if you answer again; I think that every atom, every particle, organism and natural systems and the universe as a whole, shows a very Wise designer and a Mighty Owner.Because ...(look at the signature). For just a little example, nervous systems of human beings and their comminication with sound is much more complicated from the computer technology which is based on the Binary system which consists of just two different codes (0,1). Because human beings use lots of different codes (sounds and letters) and they can perceive and transform these waves into information and store them.And they use a cheap medium (athmosphere) in order to transmit signals. This system and others must have a Perfect Designer and Creator...as I said, this is just little examples... For more examples you can look at any book in any science and any part of the universe. You can also find the meaning above in the Supreme Sign by Bediuzzaman Said Nursi... Thank you for reading the message...
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to faraclit,

you seem to be a pretty logic orientated type of guy but it still strikes me as strange that someone who has the intelligence to explain existence scientifically (what I would call rationally but that's just opinion) still believes in a prime mover.

I wanted to know why you believe something however complex has to have a creator, why can't creation just be spontaneous? Is it your reasoning or your religion that persuade you to believe this?

Post back soon, thanks
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hello anything,

I have been satisfacted by proofs which I have read from theological sources (Qur'an, Risale-i Nur Collection...). I think you can understand the reason of my belief from this article which is a bit long, but worthy of your patience if you are really willing to investigate about the topic (I would like to explain by myself, but my shortage of English and time would not let me do it).There are numerous logical and philosophical proofs in the article(passage). The title of the passage is 23rd Flash from the collection "the Flashes" by Said Nursi.
you can reach the article from this link:
risalei nur külliyatı

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