Covering Ourselves in the Name of Truth

CreativeChaos · 07-10-2005, 12:16 AM

Our vanity involves "truth" when we attempt to implicate that truth reinforces our own subjective desires. To affirm that "truth" or "God" is on my side are examples of justifying the righteousness of our postition by assuming that "truth" will have our support. It is this rationale that leads to much conflict and even war.

Do I really know the "truth" in any given situation?

The_FD · 07-10-2005, 10:51 AM

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Do I really know the "truth" in any given situation?

Everything depends on the definition of "truth" you are thinking of... How one tries to rationalize the "truth"

If you try to make a given point of view the "truth"... then you'll always have another "truth"

In case you are trying to define facts as a truth you may come out with an "absolute truth". Though you have to be aware that nobody knows "the" reality since everyone senses the facts through his feelings and thus have only a reflect of the reality and never the reality itself.

CreativeChaos · 07-10-2005, 04:01 PM

ah yes, FD. I go to this Philisophical Cafe which is part of the "Lyceum Project" here in the US. We talk for about an hour and a half on just one question like "What is contemplation?" So often the "truth" of things in this discussion boils down to language. (Maybe I should start a thread on that

) When you really try to get down to "the truth" you have to understand exactly what you mean when you use various words. Semantics plays a large role in determaning the "truth" and just what you mean. English can be very limiting. Especially when it comes to the word "love". Italian supposedly has 36 words for "love". We only have one. *rambling*

The_FD · 07-11-2005, 08:42 AM

Well as I can speak a couple of different languages decently, I think that your way of thinking partially depends on your native language.
But I don't think english gives less possibilities than italian for example (I can speak italian as well). Ok there are different words but you way define the words you need and that do not exist in a given language. That's a bit longer but does not make much difference between languages.

Though it is clear that I don't think the same way after 6 months spent in the states and after 6 months spent in France for example. I guess the way the language comes into one's mind defines ways of thinking and that different sentence logical constructions imply different logical thinkings.

I would be glad to have people's point(s) of view on that

pluiepoco · 07-11-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The_FD

I guess the way the language comes into one's mind defines ways of thinking and that different sentence logical constructions imply different logical thinkings

I agree too.
But human's basic logics are the same.

CreativeChaos · 07-11-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pluiepoco

I agree too.
But human's basic logics are the same.

Are they? I have heard like FD said that the language you speak will make a difference in how you think. I have always been curious as to how that works, since I don't speak another language, but it seems to be important as to how you define words.

The_FD · 07-11-2005, 06:23 PM

Well actually I never heard that native language defines a specific way of thinking but I use to think so since my personnal experiences

(that is reinforced from now on, thanks!)

I would say that words definition is not the main challenge in turning the thinking out, but the sentence construction is rather challenging. For exemple (still from one of my personnal previous experience) I don't use to think of the same subjects in french and english... even though I do (sometimes happens of course) I would not come to a question and try to find the solutions in the same way.
For exemple I am not teaching dancing in the same way at all in france and in the states...

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CreativeChaos Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 29 CreativeChaos is an unknown character at this point	Covering Ourselves in the Name of Truth Our vanity involves "truth" when we attempt to implicate that truth reinforces our own subjective desires. To affirm that "truth" or "God" is on my side are examples of justifying the righteousness of our postition by assuming that "truth" will have our support. It is this rationale that leads to much conflict and even war. Do I really know the "truth" in any given situation? __________________ Multi -Lingual Type Forum - need translators http://www.globalintuitive.org/wiki/
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CreativeChaos Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 29 CreativeChaos is an unknown character at this point	ah yes, FD. I go to this Philisophical Cafe which is part of the "Lyceum Project" here in the US. We talk for about an hour and a half on just one question like "What is contemplation?" So often the "truth" of things in this discussion boils down to language. (Maybe I should start a thread on that ) When you really try to get down to "the truth" you have to understand exactly what you mean when you use various words. Semantics plays a large role in determaning the "truth" and just what you mean. English can be very limiting. Especially when it comes to the word "love". Italian supposedly has 36 words for "love". We only have one. rambling __________________ Multi -Lingual Type Forum - need translators http://www.globalintuitive.org/wiki/
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The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,284 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	Well as I can speak a couple of different languages decently, I think that your way of thinking partially depends on your native language. But I don't think english gives less possibilities than italian for example (I can speak italian as well). Ok there are different words but you way define the words you need and that do not exist in a given language. That's a bit longer but does not make much difference between languages. Though it is clear that I don't think the same way after 6 months spent in the states and after 6 months spent in France for example. I guess the way the language comes into one's mind defines ways of thinking and that different sentence logical constructions imply different logical thinkings. I would be glad to have people's point(s) of view on that __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
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The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,284 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	Well actually I never heard that native language defines a specific way of thinking but I use to think so since my personnal experiences (that is reinforced from now on, thanks!) I would say that words definition is not the main challenge in turning the thinking out, but the sentence construction is rather challenging. For exemple (still from one of my personnal previous experience) I don't use to think of the same subjects in french and english... even though I do (sometimes happens of course) I would not come to a question and try to find the solutions in the same way. For exemple I am not teaching dancing in the same way at all in france and in the states... __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
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