races and humans - Page 2

bernhard · 07-08-2005, 01:11 PM

But you can forbid to express racist opinions in a forum

pluiepoco · 07-08-2005, 01:21 PM

"racist" is not a gentle word used by you gentlemen.

I always told the reality, but you are confused by the phenomena, since you are not clear about all that mess, please don't just think in your way and say that I'm racist, it is a distortion.

The_FD · 07-08-2005, 02:25 PM

What one says is never an absolute reality but always partially a point of view.
Since you decide to say something it is because it seems important to you. That mean you just classify the information in your thinking, that is a point of view.

You see the world through who you are and thus you have only reflects from the reality, never the reality itself.

Just what I thought

CreativeChaos · 07-14-2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_FD

even though you are not scientist I guess you can understand that (a bit simplified of course but still true):

people are built since a given number of genes
each gene is made of three-letter words and the alphabet is 4 letters long (A, T G and C)

then, when you compare the letters of the genes between two different people you can know how much letters are different.
It happens that every human is closer to another human than to any other animal. Which means there is no human race.
At the opposit a given dog can be closer (still comparing the A t G and C letters) to a pig than to another dog. Thus the the two given dogs are from different races.

Have I been understandable?

Gee! I never knew this. Now are you using the word race and the word species seperately? Creatures of a different species cannot produce offspring. Like a cat and a dog are different species. But I assume the dog that is closer to a pig cannot produce offspring with the pig, but with other dogs?

Nana_Brazil · 07-14-2005, 07:23 PM

I agree with you too Frenchie

Even among animals (as you said about dogs for eg..) they are all dogs and dear ones for us..

The_FD · 07-14-2005, 08:07 PM

To creative Chaos

Sure I do use race and species differently. Race has the definition I wrote above and then you cannot know if two different animals are from different races just looking at them. To be sure you have to go through the gene analyses.
To me one can make the difference between two species thanks to the different appearances or shapes or living habits two different things (not only living animals) have. Thus basicaly species are based on forms and races on gene analyses. Even though it is told that two different species cannot reproduce.

And you are right, that's not because two species are close by their genes that they can produce offsprings.
What brings us to the rather difficult question of the link between the form of a given animal and his genes.

To be very quick genes have meanings and orders, there are "master genes" and "slave genes"... and so on.
For example both flies and humans have a gene that says "eye". If you remove the eye gene of a fly, it will not have eyes anymore. Then if you take the human gene for eye and insert it into that fly. Then the fly will have eyes again... but still fly eyes, not human ones. Which means there are slave genes that built the eye following what the fly needs.

CreativeChaos · 07-14-2005, 09:40 PM

Wow! Cool! So the form of an animal, which includes the master genes, makes the species, and the race of an animal, which includes the slave genese, determines race? Did I get that correctly?

07-08-2005, 01:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
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pluiepoco Mr. Genius Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Shanghai, China Posts: 1,192 Blog Entries: 4 pluiepoco came out of the blue	"racist" is not a gentle word used by you gentlemen. I always told the reality, but you are confused by the phenomena, since you are not clear about all that mess, please don't just think in your way and say that I'm racist, it is a distortion. __________________ 刘晓雨 pluiepoco Home of Asia, 中国语言论坛(Chinese Forum of Languages), 西瓜村
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The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,301 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	What one says is never an absolute reality but always partially a point of view. Since you decide to say something it is because it seems important to you. That mean you just classify the information in your thinking, that is a point of view. You see the world through who you are and thus you have only reflects from the reality, never the reality itself. Just what I thought __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
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07-14-2005, 07:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nana_Brazil International Forum great member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 1,131 Nana_Brazil came out of the blue	I agree with you too Frenchie Even among animals (as you said about dogs for eg..) they are all dogs and dear ones for us..
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The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,301 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	To creative Chaos Sure I do use race and species differently. Race has the definition I wrote above and then you cannot know if two different animals are from different races just looking at them. To be sure you have to go through the gene analyses. To me one can make the difference between two species thanks to the different appearances or shapes or living habits two different things (not only living animals) have. Thus basicaly species are based on forms and races on gene analyses. Even though it is told that two different species cannot reproduce. And you are right, that's not because two species are close by their genes that they can produce offsprings. What brings us to the rather difficult question of the link between the form of a given animal and his genes. To be very quick genes have meanings and orders, there are "master genes" and "slave genes"... and so on. For example both flies and humans have a gene that says "eye". If you remove the eye gene of a fly, it will not have eyes anymore. Then if you take the human gene for eye and insert it into that fly. Then the fly will have eyes again... but still fly eyes, not human ones. Which means there are slave genes that built the eye following what the fly needs. __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
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07-14-2005, 09:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
CreativeChaos Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 29 CreativeChaos is an unknown character at this point	Wow! Cool! So the form of an animal, which includes the master genes, makes the species, and the race of an animal, which includes the slave genese, determines race? Did I get that correctly? __________________ Multi -Lingual Type Forum - need translators http://www.globalintuitive.org/wiki/
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