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Old 07-14-2005, 09:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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You will figure out that without time, no theories will not hold
There are theories with only 1, 2 or 3 dimensions. You don't need them four to build a scientific theory. Though if you want to try to represent the world as it is with an (actual) scientific theory, you need the 4 of them.

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Time is true in logic because it’s true in science
Be aware that science is not the reality but only humans trying to represent it to the best. And something logic is not necessary scientific. And something scientific belongs to a given logic (the scientific one hehehe) and note THE logic.

There is no absolute logic, just the one you choose to make your own opinion.
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There are theories with only 1, 2 or 3 dimensions. You don't need them four to build a scientific theory. Though if you want to try to represent the world as it is with an (actual) scientific theory, you need the 4 of them.
yeah, but this doesn’t mean these theories disagree with the 4 dimensions concept
it's like, there r theories about 2 dimensions, and they are a lot in calculus,
but they don't mean there is no 3 or 4 dimensions

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Be aware that science is not the reality but only humans trying to represent it to the best. And something logic is not necessary scientific. And something scientific belongs to a given logic (the scientific one hehehe) and note THE logic.

There is no absolute logic, just the one you choose to make your own opinion.
if science represents human reality then it's a reality
and logic is part of this reality so it has got
to agree with science otherwise one of them
is wrong and must apply to the right one.
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if science represents human reality then it's a reality
By sciences, humans try to represent the world and universe as it is, not only their point of view or their reality. MAybe a bit ambitious but that's what they try to do.

Science is told to give a 100% objective reality, despite it is all thought by humans...
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By sciences, humans try to represent the world and universe as it is, not only their point of view or their reality. MAybe a bit ambitious but that's what they try to do.

Science is told to give a 100% objective reality, despite it is all thought by humans...
yeah your'e right in this, but people are living in this world, usually they
consider science as a fact, it's true that they made it, but it has its
rulez so that it's not due to humans will.
Now what's the difference between logic and science ?
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logic is a link between two facts (or two events identified as facts)

While science is a whole theory that explains how things works. how facts are linked... and so on...


By the way, the fact that sciences have rules does not mean they don't come from human's will!!
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logic is a link between two facts (or two events identified as facts)
While science is a whole theory that explains how things works. how facts are linked... and so on...
Thank you very much for the explanation
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By the way, the fact that sciences have rules does not mean they don't come from human's will!!
Then why do theories fail, against the will of there founders?
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Theories fail because they are not the reality, but only a given representation of it. They fail when another theory represents any better (or is told to represent better) the world as it is.

Despite humans are trying to remove as much as they can their will and feelings from sciences... one have to keep in mind that our perception of the world and thus what we know of it is still based on our feelings (what we can see, hear...)
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