The_FD

No I don't agree at all

because if you think only three dimensions, then nothing would be moving.
To take again your example of insects, one was born at a given moment and it dies at another one.
If there were no time then it could not have a birth moment and then death moment. Which means it would not even exist! Or born and die at the same moment, which is a total non sense

Idem for multiple example in the everyday life, two planets smash one into the other one. They are both define in 3 dimensions. But to meet at a given moment on a given place they both need to be a the same place (defined in 3 dimensions) at the same moment!

The same for the molecules that build your body for example!

These few examples show that the time is not only a human point of view but comes with the universe

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pluiepoco

Then I got you! Human is 4D thinking animal, but according to science some animals cannot think in 4D, but 2D. Then how do you spell out their life or being?

Time is nonsense to them, but only to human. Time is artificial, think of that God knows no time in Bible.

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The_FD

Every single animal thinks in 4 dimensions!

Just ask a lion to catch a gazelle. The lion will run in order to meet the gazelle at a given point, that is to be at the same place at the same moment.

The lion does not name it time because it cannot even think of it or talk, but it uses it in his everyday life

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pluiepoco

No you are wrong this time, some animals (no, but some organism, like microbes) do not move a bit all its life, how come it has sense of moment or time, then how can you describe its being relating to time :P

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The_FD

You just forgot something microbs are not animals
and they are moving, this is not volontary movement but they do move

Ans just like animals, they are built on a given moment and destroyed on another one... which means at least two moments exist. They don't know it because they don't think but two different moments means there is a time

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CreativeChaos

I think the differences you two are talking about amount to semantics. "Time" as defined by pluiepoco is like our yard stick. We in America use inches, foot, etc., while others use the metric system. "Time" as a human concept is just such a measuring system.

But "real time" consists only of revolutions of the earth, the earth revolving around the sun, etc. This is what in fact happens. The earth revolves. We are simply measuring the "time" it takes for the earth to make one revolution, for example, and calling it a day. Our "time" measurements aren't exact either, as is evident in leap years. We simply use measurements that are easily "translated" by the general population.

Without us here, the earth would simply revolve. "Time" would not exist. Revolutions of the earth would exist. "Time" is our own construct.

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DigitaL MasteR

Tell me how do u define logic?
Time is true in logic because it’s true in science
Besides time is not minutes and seconds
It’s measured by them, just like in length and mass
Time was discovered not invented, just because people managed to live without time knowledge doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect them,
People managed to live without fire and electricity and this didn’t mean they didn’t need it.
About the dimensions,
Who said they are 3, no, until now they are 4
But if you read Hawking book “The universe in A Nutshell”
You will figure out that without time, no theories will not hold,
And that there may be more than 4 dimensions.
I think u can find the book on Amazon.

Good luck to u

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