The_FD

Well this discussion has started i another thread, though we'll be continuing it here
The topic is Islam and women,
According to the point that in this religion everybody is equal, i asked why women had to wear such restraining things

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Nana_Brazil

Ok. I`ll tell you here. I answered you there and not here before because I wouldn`t like to discuss it. I know how kind and polite you are and I am sure you want just to understand it but as I said in the otjer topic, starting discussions like that can hurt people`s feelings. My point of view as I said before is - religion is a complicated field to discuss. I do not know if muslim women are muslim because they chose it or not but if they chose it, it means they do not mind about that. I believe not all women wear such clothes (pardon me arabs . I forgot their names... ) and in many cases is a kind of option and use. I know a couple who told me when they travel, the husband asks his wife to wear the ocidental style clothes but his wife is not used and she can`t. This is very normal.
Costumes, habits, way of living etc.. differs from country to country and what is different or strange to some people, it is normal and good to the other FD.
Brazil is world famous for its "girls" for their freedom and the way they wear, behave etc.. but even here there are some women who live under an opression with a " macho man ruler" as a husband. Brazilian Government created a -" Delegacia da Mulher " - "women`s police station" for them, who suffer very bad offenses and corporal agressions. Most of those women did not complain or look for their rights some time ago because they were very very afraid. They are few of course, comparing to the whole number of women in Brazil, but even so, the number is significant and it happens!

Nadine

Hi,

I have KIND OF the same opinion as Nana. I think the most important thing is that women dress like that, BY OWN CHOICE.
Everyone has the right to dress the way they want to.
But, more important, I would like the hear the opinion of muslim women on this subject. I can say in advance that I - honestly - respect everyone's opinion, except the narrow-minded (or racist) ones.

Nadine

The_FD

Hi
and thanks to both of you for answering,

Seems we all agree on one point, one can dress as she (he) wants to as soon as it is his own choice. But she (he) has to follow a couple of rules. People cannot step out nude for example, even if they want to, that's for others respect (thanks!! )

Though you have to be aware that someone's choice depends strongly on her (his) culture and education. And I was wondering if educating very young girls into a single way of dressing was not equal to removing the different other choices. I mean to make a real choice one should have the possibility to know, think and try the other possibilities... But as far as I know, pretty much women don't even have this possibility...

Is it a choice to follow your education and culture?

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Nani

well .. nice topic , but i guess non-muslims give it more importance than muslim women do .. hejab , or veil is something most girls and women wear by thier own choice .. you can't force someone to wear anything she doesn't want .. maybe in the past it was something done by force , but not now .. not any more , i see many young girls wear hijab while thier moms do not wear it .. we can see that veil is used in other religions too , aren't nuns wear something like it ? does that make them unhappy ??? i don't know , i never asked one ... BECAUSE this is her own choice... also muslim women and girls wear it with thier own choice ... ok , some families train thier girls while they are still at younger age to wear veil and decent cloths , so that when they grow up , it will be like a habit to them not to reveal thier body ...
Now , people must respect people for who they are , not for what they wear ... and even if girls were forced to wear it I SAY IF THEY WERE .. this is thier own problem , not any other people problem , am i allowed to interfere with the way you treat your kids ?? Am i allowed to ask you why do you leave your daughter expose herself infront of all ?? No , this is not my right , this is your life , and you are free to do anything you like ...

Men and women are equal in Islam , and even the quran say so in many verse ... Arab men love when thier women wear decent cloths infront of other men , but they can wear whatever they like infront of them , they want them to be more secured ... IS N"T that normal to all men ? and since veil is something that every muslim woman should were , so , every man would like to see his wife and sister wearing it .. he can't force her for sure , but he can advise her , if she wants she will wear , if not , he will hope she will someday .... even if the guy was not religious , he will still hope that , because he wants to avoid her from troubles she might face when she is not wearing it .. well , i, myself, never heard anyone raped a girl who wear veil ... have you ? am not saying that unveiled girl will face that , but the risks are higher when you are wearing less cloths ....


by the way , if some of you were wondering , i don't wear veil .. and i never was forced to wear it , and ... well ... i hope someday i will . who knows , when i might decide that ...

anyways , i don't think i gave the topic what it should take , although , i talked a lot hehe ... but , trust me , muslim girls don't feel unequal because of the veil , they feel more respected and more secured .. they feel that it is a way in which they can protect themselves . nothing in this issue makes them feel less than men .

Nadine

Hello all,

Nani is right when she says that nobody should have to account for the way they dress.
Nani, thanks for the explanation. I see it more clearly now. Although it seems to me that the reasons for wearing decent clothing are in fact not religious reasons, but kind of - how shall I say - romantic reasons.

Maa salama,
Nadine

The_FD

Hi Nani
nice talking, you just made it to the problem

You said that women feel more secure when wearing hijab... That means men have a hard time to avoid violence and rapt when women do not wear it!!!!! Don't you think that men should do a little effort to keep it normal even when women wear a bit less clothes?? And leave the hijab a religious thing, not a protection against men...

And like I said before, if every single man wishes women to wear hijab how on hearth could they decide another way?? They do not know but they are not free to choose.

And something rather opposit to what you said: being free does not mean you can do whatever you want. There are laws on how you have to educate you children (what he can wear or not). And this is the role of the society to interfere in your private life in case you ill-treat your children wife or any other people.
Your body is not even yours, you cannot do whatever you want to with

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