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Old 10-13-2005, 01:47 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Well I was just wondering if you think that a mulism woman could be faithful and sincere in beliefs without wearing the hijab or praying?
First of all, I don't wear the hijab. I believe that sincerity stays in the heart and not in the appearance - so I think the woman who dosen't wear the hijab could be as faithful as one who does. But I don't say wearing the hijab is a bad thing. It's just a question of chastity or sense of decency... If you want to say what I feel, I would be glad to wear it but I can't for personal resons. That's it.
Moreover, the fact that you're totaly indifferent to what muslim think of you is your personal way to think... If you don't believe in our beliefs, you don't mind about what we think of you, do you? And personnaly, you seem to believe that we're lost so that's exactly the same thing...
For the prayer, every muslim who practise their religion would tell you it's one of the religion's base... as in every religion.

I hope I make myself clear cause I don't speak very well english so I'm sorry for that!

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Old 10-13-2005, 03:35 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Hey seems to me you don't have any solid arguments to substantiate what you are saying about Islam! Try to get more informed about this religion before showing prejudice against muslims!
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Old 10-13-2005, 06:07 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Hi!

I would like to share my viewpoint regarding this issue.

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Well I was just wondering if you think that a mulism woman could be faithful and sincere in beliefs without wearing the hijab or praying?
Well, since daily prayers are compulsory in Islam, I would say that all those who are deeply convinced that God is really watching them and that they are accountable for all their actions, should have no excuse not to achieve these compulsory prayers.

As for the headscarf issue, many factors come into play. For instance, many Muslim women are deprived of the right to wear headscarves on the ground that this practice goes against the principles of secular States.

Still, I believe that wearing the headscarf doesn't necessarily de facto make of one a strong believer, much in the very same way that not wearing it doesn't necessarily make of one a person with no faith or sincere beliefs!


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That's kind of you, but I hope you'll understand that (unfortunately) I am totally indifferent to what mulism think of me even though they wish me the best... Actually I guess I would prefer they don't wish me anything
And Wishing the best to others is not tolerance
Yesterday 01:52 PM
I get the impression that there has been some confusion. Actually, I believe that Aisha was simply conveying to us, by "we want the best for non-Muslims", that Muslims wish to disseminate their religion and hence, share the principles of Islam with non-Muslims out of good faith.

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I am totally indifferent to what mulism think of me
I hope you'll understand that no one's judging you. We are all accountable for our actions and we've all got to shoulder our own responsibilities, each one in his own way.

Still, let me remind you that religion has always given a sense of direction to human beings. Religion is the opium of the mass, I believe. As Voltaire said, "even if God did not exist, it should be necessary to invent one". However, let us not forget that basing ourselves on others, meaning taking the example of people who don't practice their religion and henceforth, project an image of the religion in question, is absolutely ridiculous!

Of course, I do agree that in many countries, there has been a wrong approach towards Islam, so much so that in the end, the true image of Islam was distorted. I believe that Islam is a religion preaching peace and it should be unfair to prey upon the actions inferred, based on the wrong interpretation of certain people, of Islam, with a view to formulating criticisms in this respect. This, I believe, is the dark side of the coin.

I do equally agree that at times, it is only too obvious that "tout n'est qu'apparence" in certain societies and this, I believe, does incite many people to speculate about the authenticity of religion/s.

Everyone has the right to believe and the right not to believe. Of course, as long as you know where you're heading!
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:51 AM   #67 (permalink)
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First of all, I don't wear the hijab. I believe that sincerity stays in the heart and not in the appearance - so I think the woman who dosen't wear the hijab could be as faithful as one who does. But I don't say wearing the hijab is a bad thing. It's just a question of chastity or sense of decency... If you want to say what I feel, I would be glad to wear it but I can't for personal resons. That's it.
Moreover, the fact that you're totaly indifferent to what muslim think of you is your personal way to think... If you don't believe in our beliefs, you don't mind about what we think of you, do you? And personnaly, you seem to believe that we're lost so that's exactly the same thing...
For the prayer, every muslim who practise their religion would tell you it's one of the religion's base... as in every religion.
Well you would love to wear the hijab but cannot due to personnal reasons. Now think that the situation could be reverside, for example, I am working in biology research and we cultivate cells in a 100% steril room. Then we do have to dress in a very specific way to enter this room. Unfortunately student wearing the hijab cannot enter there because they don't want to remove their hijab. Means they prefer to stop their studies and keep their hijab on rather than the opposite. I don't know how strong is their conviction (or if they have to keep the hijab on due to family/friends) but I deeply know that some of them would love to continue their study.

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you don't mind about what we think of you, do you?
I do care about what you think of me! And I would like you don't think anything... or at least keep it for you. (see my answer to NAR lower in this post)
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you seem to believe that we're lost so that's exactly the same thing...
You are not lost, you know (or believe to know) what you are doing and where you are heading, though let the others do what they have to and let them live how the want to.
There is no sens (and could be prejudicial or dangerous) to pray while at the laboratory for example

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I hope you'll understand that no one's judging you
That's where you make a mistake. Everyone thinks with his knowledge, personnal history, his belief... and so forth. So mulisms who practice and let other people know they do (by wearing the hijab and a lot more means) necessarily have a point of view that includes islam for a large part... a too large part in my opinion, which bothers me.
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Old 10-16-2005, 11:29 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Can you please close this thread ?? .. it is getting me Intolerent .. i don't know where this thread is heading to BUT if we kept talking about this issue , we will start abusing each other . and i would hate that so muchhhhhhhhhhhh


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I don't like Islam. Because I don't beleive that there is omniscience(means God) in the world.
English is not omnipresent. Far from it! The total languages in use today range from 4,000 - 6,000!
http://home.bluemarble.net/~langmin/...ures/langs.htm

Always remember there is a difference between not liking (or agreeing) and being tolerant and respectful of others.
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