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Asminha · 04-20-2007, 08:43 PM

I odn't care about what a "male" said in some other forum. Let me tell you what I think!
I didn't say that you can talk to a man without any limits. Talking to any person, of any gender, requires a big deal of limits. I am not telling to just go and open up to anybody.
Also, I am not saying that conversation between a man and a woman should be limited to only educationnal purposes, and not talk about the "simpliest" topics, as you call them.
Listen girl, what I am saying is that "innama khalaqnakom sho3ooban wa qaba2il lita3arafo". Then, you do that always within limits.

D.A. · 04-20-2007, 10:33 PM

hey Asminah! just calm down!!!..i don't know why u r like launching an attack on me!!! ok, i know that the speech between the two genders in Islam is not limited to the educational purposes only, that was just an example of the "halal" conversations...there r alot of examples which a woman may need to talk to a man: in work for the business purposes, to have a legal opinion, for health or any other consultations....etc. these things which is really noticed that it's "Halal" without even asking shiekhs about it..
but what u said about" inma khalaqunakom shoaooban wa quabaela letaarafo" plz don't explain the Holy Qur'an or having evidences from IT without knowing the specific meaning of what Allah means..ok..
anyway..far from the religiuos reconstructions. As for me, i want to talk to only females..this is what i want..and if u'll call it discrimination here, so may b it's more approbriate for me to search for what i personaly want in any other sites or forums..thanks alot..

Elenabg · 04-21-2007, 02:41 PM

I can teach you ( if you are still lookin' )

I will be happy to learn some Arabic... elena.alex.bg@gmail.com

Asminha · 04-21-2007, 02:48 PM

It's impressive how you turn on me to tell me to calm down while I am actually calm. I didn't get mad nor launched any kind of attack on you, as you tend to call it.
I don't have anything about you being specific about the persons you want to become friends with. I don't consider that as descrimination as Vikram says. All what I am saying is that I don't agree to put that on the count of religion.

redaiwa · 04-23-2007, 09:10 AM

First of all, I let you know that English is not my mother tongue, thus please excuse my faults.

Hello D.A. and welcome in our forum in which I hope you’ll find precious help for learning languages. I’m Muslim and I perfectly understand your point of view. You take your precautions not to open the way to the familiarities which can evolve in relation of another nature. So, you close to yourself and to the others the way to possible “bad” languages. You have the right to choose your interlocutors. We sometimes choose, within the forum, not to answer some messages and nobody feels offended!!!
Seen by the inside of Islam, this behavior is completely understandable. Moreover, there is in Islam a well known principle, notably at the followers of the Malekite School, called in Arabic « سد الذرائع » which means “to close the door of ways leading to what is reprehensible”. (Read more about this principle (in arabic)). This principle is a sort of precautionary measure against the temptation to go towards what is reprehensible. It is the rather rigorous conception but that turns out sometimes effective to those who are easily subject to temptations. It is more a protection against their own temptations than against the others. I’m sure that our friend D.A. simply wanted to apply this principle in its exchanges with the other members of our forum. But she maybe missed just a little tact. May be because of her young age? She would have better made filter her interlocutors by answering only those whom she considers acceptable according to her criteria. She would have been faithful to her principles while avoiding striking the feelings of her towards in particular not Muslims who have necessarily no same conception of things as us. But, maybe she prefers not to face the "temptation" not to risk to fall there?

I admit that generally many Muslims miss maturity in the dialogue with the not Muslims, notably to the youngest of us. Our own logic is so evident for us that we not care of what the others can think of or feel so much that we convey a feeling of unbearable arrogance for our towards... As the arrogance of the Bush administration is unbearable for the rest of the world!

I would like to clarify to everybody that speaking to the opposite sex is not forbidden in Islam, naturally within the limits of the propriety. The one who is a little interested in the Moslem tradition, knows that Aïsha, wife of the Prophet Muhammad and after the death of this one, spoke without intermediary to the men who came to her to ask about the religion. Did not the Prophet Muhammad himself speak, directly and without intermediary, to the women who asked him, also without intermediary, for advice on their everyday life?

Speaking to people of the opposite sex was never the object of some ban in Islam. However, it is up to the interlocutors to control their comments and to avoid that it exceeds the limits that each settles. It depends on the education and the culture of each.

The tolerance and the opening towards the others remains, on both sides, the only rampart against the incomprehension and the extremism. The reason has to prevail over the passion in any debate especially in the religious domain.

Asminha · 04-23-2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redaiwa

I would like to clarify to everybody that speaking to the opposite sex is not forbidden in Islam, naturally within the limits of the propriety. The one who is a little interested in the Moslem tradition, knows that Aïsha, wife of the Prophet Muhammad and after the death of this one, spoke without intermediary to the men who came to her to ask about the religion. Did not the Prophet Muhammad himself speak, directly and without intermediary, to the women who asked him, also without intermediary, for advice on their everyday life?

Speaking to people of the opposite sex was never the object of some ban in Islam. However, it is up to the interlocutors to control their comments and to avoid that it exceeds the limits that each settles. It depends on the education and the culture of each.

This is EXACTLY what I told Doua, but I was unfortunately accused of "attacking" her.
Those limits in conversations are therefor part of the so-called universal dialogue code, unless there are "familiarities", as Reda called them.
But maybe the point concerning "temptation", wouldn't be that clear to others.
Anyways, I agree with you Reda, sur toute la ligne

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04-20-2007, 08:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Asminha Administrator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,795 Blog Entries: 1 Asminha is just really nice Asminha is just really nice	I odn't care about what a "male" said in some other forum. Let me tell you what I think! I didn't say that you can talk to a man without any limits. Talking to any person, of any gender, requires a big deal of limits. I am not telling to just go and open up to anybody. Also, I am not saying that conversation between a man and a woman should be limited to only educationnal purposes, and not talk about the "simpliest" topics, as you call them. Listen girl, what I am saying is that "innama khalaqnakom sho3ooban wa qaba2il lita3arafo". Then, you do that always within limits. __________________ Speak Moroccan - Parlez marocain Moroccan Vocabulary - Vocabulaire Marocain
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04-20-2007, 10:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
D.A. Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 8 D.A. is an unknown character at this point	hey Asminah! just calm down!!!..i don't know why u r like launching an attack on me!!! ok, i know that the speech between the two genders in Islam is not limited to the educational purposes only, that was just an example of the "halal" conversations...there r alot of examples which a woman may need to talk to a man: in work for the business purposes, to have a legal opinion, for health or any other consultations....etc. these things which is really noticed that it's "Halal" without even asking shiekhs about it.. but what u said about" inma khalaqunakom shoaooban wa quabaela letaarafo" plz don't explain the Holy Qur'an or having evidences from IT without knowing the specific meaning of what Allah means..ok.. anyway..far from the religiuos reconstructions. As for me, i want to talk to only females..this is what i want..and if u'll call it discrimination here, so may b it's more approbriate for me to search for what i personaly want in any other sites or forums..thanks alot.. __________________ EGYPTION GIRL
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04-21-2007, 02:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
Asminha Administrator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,795 Blog Entries: 1 Asminha is just really nice Asminha is just really nice	It's impressive how you turn on me to tell me to calm down while I am actually calm. I didn't get mad nor launched any kind of attack on you, as you tend to call it. I don't have anything about you being specific about the persons you want to become friends with. I don't consider that as descrimination as Vikram says. All what I am saying is that I don't agree to put that on the count of religion. __________________ Speak Moroccan - Parlez marocain Moroccan Vocabulary - Vocabulaire Marocain
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04-23-2007, 09:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
redaiwa International Forum Fan Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Algérie Posts: 729 redaiwa is on a distinguished road	First of all, I let you know that English is not my mother tongue, thus please excuse my faults. Hello D.A. and welcome in our forum in which I hope you’ll find precious help for learning languages. I’m Muslim and I perfectly understand your point of view. You take your precautions not to open the way to the familiarities which can evolve in relation of another nature. So, you close to yourself and to the others the way to possible “bad” languages. You have the right to choose your interlocutors. We sometimes choose, within the forum, not to answer some messages and nobody feels offended!!! Seen by the inside of Islam, this behavior is completely understandable. Moreover, there is in Islam a well known principle, notably at the followers of the Malekite School, called in Arabic « سد الذرائع » which means “to close the door of ways leading to what is reprehensible”. (Read more about this principle (in arabic)). This principle is a sort of precautionary measure against the temptation to go towards what is reprehensible. It is the rather rigorous conception but that turns out sometimes effective to those who are easily subject to temptations. It is more a protection against their own temptations than against the others. I’m sure that our friend D.A. simply wanted to apply this principle in its exchanges with the other members of our forum. But she maybe missed just a little tact. May be because of her young age? She would have better made filter her interlocutors by answering only those whom she considers acceptable according to her criteria. She would have been faithful to her principles while avoiding striking the feelings of her towards in particular not Muslims who have necessarily no same conception of things as us. But, maybe she prefers not to face the "temptation" not to risk to fall there? I admit that generally many Muslims miss maturity in the dialogue with the not Muslims, notably to the youngest of us. Our own logic is so evident for us that we not care of what the others can think of or feel so much that we convey a feeling of unbearable arrogance for our towards... As the arrogance of the Bush administration is unbearable for the rest of the world! I would like to clarify to everybody that speaking to the opposite sex is not forbidden in Islam, naturally within the limits of the propriety. The one who is a little interested in the Moslem tradition, knows that Aïsha, wife of the Prophet Muhammad and after the death of this one, spoke without intermediary to the men who came to her to ask about the religion. Did not the Prophet Muhammad himself speak, directly and without intermediary, to the women who asked him, also without intermediary, for advice on their everyday life? Speaking to people of the opposite sex was never the object of some ban in Islam. However, it is up to the interlocutors to control their comments and to avoid that it exceeds the limits that each settles. It depends on the education and the culture of each. The tolerance and the opening towards the others remains, on both sides, the only rampart against the incomprehension and the extremism. The reason has to prevail over the passion in any debate especially in the religious domain. __________________ "Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos parents, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants".(Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) Visitez le blog de notre association : http://bariq21.dzblog.com
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