Cartoons and Muslims

bernhard · 02-03-2006, 09:11 AM

Like this one :

/*removed the link to the image, you ll find it on the net if you want*/

made a lot of reactions around the world, but like a jordanian newspaper wrote, what does make a worse image, such caricatures or someone who bombs a marriage.

And this people, dont have problems when othe religions are caricatured....

That are just drawings for me, we can debate about it but not fight because of it.

Nathalie Bianco · 02-03-2006, 11:05 AM

I know much too little on the subject of Muslims and their beliefs to be able to form an opinion yet, but I would be surprised to learn that well educated people who have mankind's best interests at heart should let themselves get so worked up over some newspaperman's misbegotten experiment as to start a war over the subject.

In my opinion, freedom of press is one of the most precious gifts of any society and should be defended at all costs. None the less, it does come with a personal responsibility for anyone who makes use of it and sometimes people would do well to remember that not everything that is ALLOWED is also PRUDENT.

Especially the media, addressing the public with no real means of knowing the individual reactions, ought to keep that in mind.

The_Cranberriest · 02-05-2006, 01:34 AM

I've always defended the press freedom in case of attacks of totalitarian regimes. But this freedom should never give someone the chance of making insults to another ones. I want to tell you only a few sentences about our belief at drawing the pictures of prophet Muhammed, as a Muslim if you don't mind..

Prophet Muhammed banned artists to draw his portraits or any kind of pictures by himself. He didn't want Muslims to worship to the pictures of him after his death. That's why pictures, portraits, cartoons or caricatures of prophet Muhammed can't be drawn, according to the Islamic belief. No one has to have this belief. As we always say, Norwegian and Danish people may not believe this, this is natural and no one can force them to believe in Islamic faith. But they have to view respect to the religional beliefs of other people on earth. And to expect this respect from western people is the most natural right of us, Muslims.

I want to repeat it just before finishing my post. Everyone should distinguish the 'press freedom' and 'insulting'. There are some situations when the press freedom is restricted almost in every law system of the world. I wish Scandinavian people had put themselves in Muslims' positions before publishing those caricatures that include clear insults to Muslims.

Thanks

Nathalie Bianco · 02-05-2006, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Cranberriest

I've always defended the press freedom in case of attacks of totalitarian regimes. But this freedom should never give someone the chance of making insults to another ones. I want to tell you only a few sentences about our belief at drawing the pictures of prophet Muhammed, as a Muslim if you don't mind..

Prophet Muhammed banned artists to draw his portraits or any kind of pictures by himself. He didn't want Muslims to worship to the pictures of him after his death. That's why pictures, portraits, cartoons or caricatures of prophet Muhammed can't be drawn, according to the Islamic belief. No one has to have this belief. As we always say, Norwegian and Danish people may not believe this, this is natural and no one can force them to believe in Islamic faith. But they have to view respect to the religional beliefs of other people on earth. And to expect this respect from western people is the most natural right of us, Muslims.

I want to repeat it just before finishing my post. Everyone should distinguish the 'press freedom' and 'insulting'. There are some situations when the press freedom is restricted almost in every law system of the world. I wish Scandinavian people had put themselves in Muslims' positions before publishing those caricatures that include clear insults to Muslims.

Thanks

Hi Cranberriest - thanks for posting the explanation of why drawings of Muhammed are not permitted in Islamic faith.

I cannot say that I agree on your views of freedom of press, though. I think that the the very meaning of "freedom" is to give everybody the chance of expressing whatever they want. Having said that, however, I cannot emphasize enough how important it is that when you do share your thoughts with other people you should always be very alert to their reactions, and be prepared to discuss the matter in a civilized manner. And of course, you should not hesitate to apologize if you find that you've made a mistake. And that, no need to mention, should go both ways!

Sometimes people inadvertently happen to hurt other people's feeling - that's only natural, we are all just human beings - but the trick is not to let yourself get carried away when it happens. Communication is not always an easy thing, but it would help if everyone would take into consideration that we can only be responsible for our own personal thoughts and feelings and that we should treat others the way we would like them to treat us.

Nathalie

Nadine · 02-05-2006, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathalie Bianco

Sometimes people inadvertently happen to hurt other people's feeling - that's only natural, we are all just human beings - but the trick is not to let yourself get carried away when it happens. Communication is not always an easy thing, but it would help if everyone would take into consideration that we can only be responsible for our own personal thoughts and feelings and that we should treat others the way we would like them to treat us.

Nathalie

Hello everyone,

I completely agree with what Nathalie says in this quote. Probably the journalist who published these drawings didn't even know he would hurt Muslims with this.

But, in my opinion, if you know that it might hurt, you should respect that. "Free press" is about informing people about everything (so that they can make up their own opinion), not about provoking.

I'm afraid many Muslims (I'm talking about what's happening in Syria and Lebanon, these days) let themselves get carried away in blind anger.

But then, the question is : are they well informed ? Do they have access to
free press ?

Nadine

The_FD · 02-05-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Cranberriest

I want to repeat it just before finishing my post. Everyone should distinguish the 'press freedom' and 'insulting'. There are some situations when the press freedom is restricted almost in every law system of the world. I wish Scandinavian people had put themselves in Muslims' positions before publishing those caricatures that include clear insults to Muslims.

Well from the "french" point of view... one has to make a difference between an insult and a satire (even though a satire can be very provocative). I understand that Muhammed representing pictures published by non Mulism people can shock Mulisms and that it is again their beliefs. Though I guess we have to take into account the surroundings of what happened... that it was published in a pretty conservative paper, thus probably deeply criticizing the actual Islam told "strong" (I am sorry I don't use to read this danish paper

). And that some people take Islam as an excuse to fight the occidental civilization in general (american imperialism and liberalism...) and I guess that the journalist publishing these pictures aimed these terrorists and not the whole Islam, also Muslims were not supposed to worship to the pictures and thus it was not drawned in the unique aim of violating Islamic rules.

Moreover I agree with Nadine that the "free press" has the right to express even through satire its points of view. But I would add that single information is not the only role of the press in general. It has to comment, give controversial arguments, remember past events and basic things so that people can build their own opinion... thus provoking is one of the role of journalists... tough for them not to go too far in the provocation nor to be tasteless...

frequency · 02-05-2006, 02:11 PM

Protesters Torch Danish Embassy
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1581899

I understand their feelings but they overdid.

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Nathalie Bianco Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 41 Nathalie Bianco came out of the blue	Cartoons and Muslim reactions I know much too little on the subject of Muslims and their beliefs to be able to form an opinion yet, but I would be surprised to learn that well educated people who have mankind's best interests at heart should let themselves get so worked up over some newspaperman's misbegotten experiment as to start a war over the subject. In my opinion, freedom of press is one of the most precious gifts of any society and should be defended at all costs. None the less, it does come with a personal responsibility for anyone who makes use of it and sometimes people would do well to remember that not everything that is ALLOWED is also PRUDENT. Especially the media, addressing the public with no real means of knowing the individual reactions, ought to keep that in mind.
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The_Cranberriest Junior Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9 The_Cranberriest is an unknown character at this point	I've always defended the press freedom in case of attacks of totalitarian regimes. But this freedom should never give someone the chance of making insults to another ones. I want to tell you only a few sentences about our belief at drawing the pictures of prophet Muhammed, as a Muslim if you don't mind.. Prophet Muhammed banned artists to draw his portraits or any kind of pictures by himself. He didn't want Muslims to worship to the pictures of him after his death. That's why pictures, portraits, cartoons or caricatures of prophet Muhammed can't be drawn, according to the Islamic belief. No one has to have this belief. As we always say, Norwegian and Danish people may not believe this, this is natural and no one can force them to believe in Islamic faith. But they have to view respect to the religional beliefs of other people on earth. And to expect this respect from western people is the most natural right of us, Muslims. I want to repeat it just before finishing my post. Everyone should distinguish the 'press freedom' and 'insulting'. There are some situations when the press freedom is restricted almost in every law system of the world. I wish Scandinavian people had put themselves in Muslims' positions before publishing those caricatures that include clear insults to Muslims. Thanks
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