pluiepoco

You two are quite French-humourous.

Web is like an Ocean, with trash and treasure. We have the right to exploring pearls but not seabed or salty water, even if the latter is necessary in a materialistic view.

From Google or other Chinese local search, we can browse even porns, crimes, religions, cults, and it's not prohibited, because it's kind of worldwide reality. The example you quoted as "falungong" is exact, because it did try to challenge humanity and Chinese law as well.

You asked me if I'm allowd to speak freely, I'd tell you all that, in China you can even swear the God to death, no one cares you, because everyone should be interested in making money. No one wants to waste time with you. Talking is free, even if you personally cursed the President down to his face in the street!

No one would care you, because China is a populous country, everyone is unimportant, like a drop to a sea. But if you did someting unlawful, or hurting other Chinese's interests and rights, you must pay for it. Because we are a country under law, not anarchism or liberism.

I couldn't even guess what's going on in France or India, but a country disregarding each person's human rights should be a place not worth to live.

Yes, Each Single Entity/Person should have been free, unless it ruins Others' Freedom.

Like we need voice but not noise. We need a clean common share.

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The_FD

Might be a country "under law"... but what law? How can a country be told rightful and claim its freedom if there is only one political point of view allowed?

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pluiepoco

Then, We should return to our topic "What's Freedom", but not use our emotions here commenting how a freedom should be performed!

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The_FD

I am not using my emotions, I am just giving my point of view about a country that wants to be known as press and human rights respectful while it stays pretty unclear on several points.

By the way I did not say that full liberalism would be more or less free than any other system. One shall not mix liberalism, human rights and freedom which are three different but closely linked notions.

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pluiepoco

I agree.

But I don't quite understand Is there any relation between freedom and how many political points of view?

Let me suppose that, a country with 100 political points of view would certainly be in larger scale of freedom than another country with 50 political points of view? Is there a mathematical formula?

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Lina

Not sure it's a question of how many political points of view there are in a country, but of being able to think freely and have your own point of view, without anyone telling you what you have to think. And here, when any government prevents you from accessing any information in the name of politics or state reason, it is a problem. Who are they to tell you what is or not "seabed or salty water" ? Can't you very well reflex, make your mind yourself and decide what you want to know or not ? From your posts, I'm convinced that you can and that you don't need them to tell you. Do you ?

The_FD

Hi pluiepoco
and thanks Lina, you just showed pluiepoco what I meant when talking of "political points of view"

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