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yes lol.... just the way we say it but there is no problem lol..
I thought you did not know what was it lol
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12.2.7 distinction between the light direct objective personal pronoun and indirect objective personal pronoun and their contraction distinção entre os directos e os indirectos átonos e a sua combinação
12.2.8 reflective pronouns pronomes reflexivos
12.2.9 accented objective personal pronouns and prepositions pronomes pessoais oblíquos tónicos e preposições
12.2.10 analysis on the objective pronouns of the 3rd person análise sobre os pronomes oblíquos da 3.a pessoa
12.2.11 collocation of the light objective personal pronouns colocação dos pronomes pessoais oblíquos átonos
12.3 possessive pronouns pronomes possessivos
12.3.1 person of the possessive pronoun pessoa do pronome possessivo
12.3.2 gender and number of the possessive pronoun género e número do pronome possessivo
12.3.3 adj. possessive pron. and noun possessive pron. pron. adj. possessivo e pron. subs. possessivo
12.3.4 collocation of the adjective possessive pronoun colocação do pronome adjectivo possessivo
12.3.5 special values of the possessive pronoun valores especiais do pronome possessivo
12.3.6 special application of the possessive pronoun emprego especial do pronome possessivo
12.4 demonstrative pronomes demonstrativos
12.4.1 adj. demonstrative and noun demonstrative pron. adj. demonstrativo e pron. subs. demonstrativo
12.4.2 contraction of the demonstrative with other words combinação dos pronomes demonstrativos com outras palavras
12.4.3 application of the demonstrative emprego do prenome demonstrativo
12.4.4 collocation of the adjective demonstrative colocação do pronome adjectivo demonstrativo
12.5 relative pronouns pronomes relativos
12.5.1 antecedent of the relative pronoun antecedente do pronome relativo
12.5.2 syntactic function of the relat. pron. função sintáctica do pron. relat.
12.5.3 that que
12.5.4 which o qual
12.5.5 who quem
12.5.6 whose cujo
12.5.7 those quanto
12.5.8 where onde
12.6 interrogative pronoun pronome interrogativo
12.6.1 what que
12.6.2 who quem
12.6.3 which qual
12.6.4 how many/much quanto
12.6.5 collocation of the interrogative pronoun colocação do pronome interrogativo
12.6.6 interrog. pron. as interjection pron. interrog. como interjeição
12.6.7 emphatic form "is that" forma enfática "é que"
12.7 indefinite pronoun pronome indefinido
12.7.1 some algum
12.7.2 none nenhum
12.7.3 something algo
12.7.4 nothing nada
12.7.5 somebody alguém
12.7.6 nobody ninguém
12.7.7 every cada
12.7.8 all todo
12.7.9 everything tudo
12.7.10 certain certo
12.7.11 whichever qualquer
12.7.12 other outro
12.7.13 otherbody outrem
12.7.14 one um
12.7.15 many/much and few/little muito e pouco
12.7.16 how many/much and so many/much quanto e tanto
12.7.17 several vários
CHAPTER NUMERALS NUMERAIS
13.1 general notions noções gerais
13.2 read and write of the numerals leitura e escrita dos numerais
13.2.1 read and write of the cardinal numerals leitura e escrita dos cardinais
13.2.2 read and write of the ordinal numerals leitura e escrita dos ordinais
13.2.3 read and write of the multiplicative numerals leitura e escrita dos multiplicativos
13.2.4 read and write of the fractional numerals leitura e escrita dos fraccionários
13.2.5 read and write of the indicative numbers leitura e escrita dos números indicativos
13.3 gender and number of the numerals género e número dos numerais
13.3.1 gender and number of the cardinal numerals género e número dos cardinais
13.3.2 gender and number of the ordinal numerals género e número dos ordinais
13.3.3 gender and number of the multiplicative numerals género e número dos multiplicativos
13.3.4 gender and number of the fractional numerals género e número dos fraccionários
13.3.5 gender and number of the collective numerals género e número dos colectivos
13.4 application and collocation of the numerals emprego e colocação dos numerais
13.5 expressions of date expressões de data
13.6 expressions of hours expressões de horas
CHAPTER 14 VERB VERBO
14.1 general notions noções gerais
14.1.1 definition of the verb difinição do verbo
14.1.2 formation of the verb formação do verbo
14.1.3 person and number of the verb pessoa e número do verbo
14.2 classification of the verb classificação do verbo
14.2.1 intransitive verb and transitive verb verbo intransitivo e verbo transitivo
14.2.2 link verb verb de ligação
14.2.3 pronominal verb and pronoun "self" verbo pronominal e pronome "se"
14.2.4 impersonal verb and impersonal sentence verbo impessoal e oração impessoal
14.3 voice of the verb voz do verbo
14.3.1 active voice voz activa
14.3.2 passive voice voz passiva
14.3.3 transformation from active voice into passive voice and vice versa transformação de voz activa em voz passiva e vice-versa
14.3.4 reflexive voice voz reflexiva
14.4 aspect of the verb aspecto do verbo
14.5 verb phrase, full verb and auxiliary locução verbal, verbo principal e verbo auxiliar
14.6 moods and tenses of the verb modos e tempos do verbo
14.7 conjugation of the verb conjugação do verbo
14.7.1 verbs of the first, second, third adn fourth conjugations verbos da primeira, segunda, terceira e quarta conjugações
14.7.2 regular verb and irregular verb verbo regular e verbo irregular
14.7.3 defective verb verbo defectivo
14.7.4 abundant verb verbo abundante
14.8 present of the indicative presente do indicativo
14.8.1 formation formação
14.8.2 application emprego
14.9 present progressive of the indicative presente progressivo do indicativo
14.9.1 formation formação
14.9.2 application emprego
14.10 compound past perfect of the indicative preférito perfeito do indicativo
14.10.1 formation formação
14.10.2 application emprego
14.11 simple past perfect of the indicative pretérito perfeito simples do indicativo
14.11.1 formation formação
14.11.2 application emprego
14.12 past imperfect of the indicative pretérito imperfeito do indicativo
14.12.1 formation formação
14.12.2 application emprego
14.13 comparison between the simple past perfect ofthe indicative and the past imperfect of the indicative comparação entre o pretérito perfeito simples do indicativo e o pretérito imperfeito do indicativo
14.14 past imperfect progressive of the indicative pretérito imperfeito progressivo do indicativo
14.14.1 formation formação
14.14.2 application emprego
14.15 past pluperfect of the indicative pretérito mais-que-perfeito do indicativo
14.15.1 formation of the simple past pluperfect formação do pretérito mais-que-perfeito simples
14.15.2 formation of the compound past pluperfect formação do pretérito mais-que-perfeito composto
14.15.3 application emprego
14.16 simple present future of the indicative futuro do presente simples do indicativo
14.16.1 formation formação
14.16.2 application emprego
14.17 compound present future of the indicative futuro do presente composto do indicativo
14.17.1 formation formação
14.17.2 application emprego
14.18 subjunctive conjuntivo
14.18.1 in the subjective clauses nas orações subordinadas subjectivas
14.18.2 in the objective clauses and complement clauses nas orações subordinadas e completivas
14.18.3 in the attributive clauses nas orações subordinadas adjectivas
14.18.4 in the adverbial clauses nas orações subordinadas adverbiais
14.18.5 in the conditional adverbial clauses nas orações subordinadas adverbiais condicionais
14.18.6 in other cases em outros casos
14.18.7 difference between the subjunctive and the indicative diferenças entre o conjuntivo e o indicativo
14.19 present of the subjunctive presente do conjuntivo
14.19.1 formation formação
14.19.2 application emprego
14.20 past imperfect of the subjunctive pretérito imperfeito do conjuntivo
14.20.1 formation formação
14.20.2 application emprego
14.21 past perfect of the subjunctive pretérito perfeito do conjuntivo
14.21.1 formation formação
14.21.2 application emprego
14.22 past pluperfect of the subjunctive pretérito mais-que-perfeito do conjuntivo
14.22.1 formation formação
14.22.2 application emprego
14.23 future imperfect of the subjunctive futuro imperfeito do conjuntivo
14.23.1 formation formção
14.23.2 application emprego
14.24 future perfect of the subjunctive futuro perfeito do conjuntivo
14.24.1 formation formação
14.24.2 application emprego
14.25 conditional condicional
14.25.1 formation of the simple conditional formação do condicional simples
14.25.2 formaiton of the compound conditional formação do condicional composto
14.26 imperative imperativo
14.26;1 foration formação
14.26.2 application emprego
14.27 infinitive infinitivo
14.27.1 general notions noções gerais
14.27.2 impersonal infinitive infinitivo impessoal
14.27.3 personal infinitive infinitivo pessoal
14.28 gerund gerúndio
14.28.1 formation formação
14.28.2 application emprego
14.29 participle particípio
14.29.1 formation formação
14.29.2 application emprego
CHAPTER 15 ADVERB ADVÉRBIO
15.1 general notions noções gerais
15.2 adverbs of place advérbios de lugar
15.3 adverbs of time advérbios de tempo
15.4 adverbs of mode advérbios de modo
15.5 adverbs of intensity advérbios de intensidade
15.6 adverbs of affirmation advérbios de afirmação
15.7 adverbs of negation advérbios de negação
15.8 adverbs of possibility advérbios de dúvida
15.9 interrogative adverbs advérbios interrogativos
15.10 adverbs of designation advérbios de designação
15.11 adverbs of inclusion advérbios de inclusão
15.12 adverbs of exclusion advérbios de exclusão
15.13 suffix “-ly” sufixo “-mento”
15.14 adverb phrase locução adverbial
15.14.1 formation of the adverb phrase formação da locução adverbial
15.14.2 classification of the adverb phrase classificação da locução adverbial
15.15 degree of the adverb grau do advérbio
15.15.1 comparative comparátivo
15.15.2 superlative superlativo
15.15.3 diminutive diminutivo
15.15.4 repetition of the adverb repetição do advérbio
15.16 collocation of the adverb colocação do advérbio
CHAPTER 16 PREPOSITION PREPOSIÇÃO
16.1 general notions noções gerais
16.1.1 function of the preposition função da preposição
16.1.2 classification of the preposition classificação da preposição
16.2 application of the preposition emprego da preposição
16.2.1 to/at a
16.2.2 before ante
16.2.3 after após
16.2.4 until até
16.2.5 with com
16.2.6 against contra
16.2.7 from/of de
16.2.8 since/from desde
16.2.9 in/on em
16.2.10 between/within entre
16.2.11 for para
16.2.12 in front of perante
16.2.13 by por/per
16.2.14 according to segundo
16.2.15 without sem
16.2.16 under sob
16.2.17 over sobre
16.2.18 prepositional phrase locução prepositiva
16.2.19 cluster of prepositions encontro de preposições
16.2.20 repetition of the preposition repetição da preposição
16.2.21 contraction of prepositions with other words combinação de preposições com outras palavras
16.2.22 collocation of the preposition colocação da preposição
CHAPTER 17 CONJUNCTION CONJUNÇÃO
17.1 general notions noções gerais
17.2 co-ordinating conjunctions conjunções conordenadas
17.2.1 copulative conjunctions conjunções copulativas
17.2.2 adversative conjunctions conjunções adversativas
17.2.3 disjunctive conjunctions conjunções disjuntivas
17.2.4 conclusive conjunctions conjunções conclusivas
17.2.5 explanatory conjunctions conunções explicativas
17.3 subordinating conjunctions conjunções subordinadas
17.3.1 integrating conjunctions? conjunções integrantes
17.3.2 causal conjunctions conjunções causais
17.3.3 concessive conjunctions conjunções concessivas
17.3.4 conditional conjunctions conjunções condicionais
17.3.5 final/purpose conjunctions? conjunções finais
17.3.6 temporal conjunctions conjunções temporais
17.3.7 consecutive conjunctions conjunções consecutivas
17.3.8 comparative conjunctions conjunções comparativas
17.3.9 conformative conjunctions conjunções conformativas
17.3.10 proportional conjunctions conjunções proporcionais
CHAPTER 18 INTERJECTION INTERJEIÇÃO
18.1 general notions noções gerais
18.2 formation of the interjection formação da interjeição
18.3 sentiments expressed by the interj. sentimentos expressos pela interj.

PART III SYNTAX SINTAXE

CHAPTER 19 TYPES AND FORMS OF THE SENTENCE TIPOS E FORMAS DA FRASE
19.1 general notions noções gerais
19.2 types of the sentence tipos da frase
19.3 forms of the sentence formas da frase
CHAPTER 20 ELEMENTS OF THE COMPLETE SENTENCE TERMOS DA ORAÇÃO
20.1 general notions noções gerais
20.2 main elements of the complete sentence termos essenciais da oração
20.2.1 subject subjeito
20.2.2 predicate and predicative predicado e predicativo
20.3 intergrating elements of the complete sentence termos integrantes da oração
20.3.1 noun complement complemento nominal
20.3.2 verb complement complemento verbal
20.3.3 agent of the passive agente da passiva
20.4 accessory elements termos acessórios
20.4.1 attribute adjunto adnominal
20.4.2 adverbial adjunto adverbial
20.4.3 apposition aposto
20.5 vocative vocativo
20.6 constituent structure grammar gramática de estrutura de constituintes
20.6.1 nuclear constituents of the sentence: noun syntagm and verb syntagm constituintes nucleares da frase: sintagma nominal e sintagma verbal
20.6.2 extranuclear constituents of the sentence: preposition syntagm and adverb syntagm constituintes extranucleares da frase: sintagma preposicional e sintagma adverbial
20.6.3 expansion of the NS and the modifier expansão do SN e o modificador
20.6.4 constituents of the verb syntagm and to its expansion? constituintes do sintagma verbal e a sua expansão
20.6.5 summary of the syntagms and their syntactic functions quadro-sintese dos sintagmas e suas funções sintácticas
CHAPTER 21 PERIOD AND TO ITS CLAUSES PERÍODO E AS SUAS ORAÇÕES
21.1 general notions noções gerais
20.2 simple period período simples
21.3 compound sentence, período composto por coordenação
21.3.1 co-ordination, co-ordinate clause and independent clause coordenação, oração coordenada e oração independente
21.3.2 types of compound sentences tipos de coordenadas
21.3.3 parataxis and syndetic co-ordinate clause
21.4 hypotaxis período composto por subordinação
21.4.1 subordination, main clause and dependent clause subordinação, oração principal e oração subordinada
21.4.2 intact clauses and abbreviated clauses subordinadas desenvolvidas e subordinadas reduzidas
21.5 noun clauses orações subordinadas substantivas
21.5.1 subject clause oração subordinada substantiva subjectiva
21.5.2 direct object clause oração subordinada substantiva directa
21.5.3 direct speech and indirect speech discurso directo e discurso indirecto
21.5.4 indirect object clause oração subordinada substantiva objectiva indirecta
21.5.5 complement clause oração subord. subs. completiva nominal
21.5.6 predicative clause oração subordinada substantiva predicativa
21.5.7 appositive clause oração subordinada substantiva apositiva
21.6 adjectival clause/attibutive clause oração subordinada adjectiva
21.6.1 restrictive relative clause and explanatory relative clause restritiva e explicativa
21.6.2 abbreviated adjectival clause oração subordinada adjectiva reduzida

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12.5.6 THOSE means aqueles, aquelas, estes, estas - = pronome demonstrativo
14.1.1 dEfinição

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12.5.6 THOSE means aqueles, aquelas, estes, estas - = pronome demonstrativo(Then I really don not know the EN equivalent of quanto, can you tell me?)
14.1.1 dEfinição, sorry, my mistake!

Because I want to tranlate a grammatic book by my hand, I think Chinese analyse the Portugese language in a different way as European, so I'm translating the Chinese-Portugese Grammar book into a English-Portugese one, and the contents is just as I have listed in parts.
may you like them.
I will continue.
Infact the lessons contained in the book is more interesting, but I have to translate the contents first.
In the translation, I try my best to seek the commonest English equivalent of the PT grammatical words, but if I finally could not, I would resort to a literal translation -semantic Translation of the PT entries.
So some entries maybe are not pleasant to read, that is just because of it.
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Ok...I see and I appreciate your hard work...but let me remember you: besides being Brazilian, I am not a Portuguese teacher lol so mistakes can happen sometimes and names of grammatical things can be confusing sometimes, even I am good at Portuguese language learning, I mean, if you are about to do a very serious work like that book I advice you to check it all later with a Brazilian Portuguese teacher,ok?
And about QUANTO- let me explain all of them to you...
we have :

MUITO (singular male), MUITA (singular female) = MUCH - for no countable things,etc..
MUITO and MUITA can also be used as VERY is in English.
MUITOS(plural male), MUITAS (plural female) = MANY - for countable ones.

QUANTO (sing. male) and QUANTA (sing. female)= HOW MUCH
QUANTOS (plural male),QUANTAS (plural female) = HOW MANY


*****BUT - ATTENTION TO SOME WAYS AND EXPRESSIONS IN ENGLISH WE CANNOT COMPARE AND USE THE SAME WORD IN PORTUGUESE SUCH AS:

HOW OLD ARE YOU? = QUANTOS ANOS VOCÊ TEM? ( it means "how many years do you have" - if I translate it as it says in Portuguese, ok?

HOW FAR IS THE HOSPITAL FROM HERE? QUE DISTÂNCIA É (or ESTÁ) O HOSPITAL DAQUI?

As you can see, in some uses of HOW - we have the equivalent to QUANTO, QUANTA in Portuguese.
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12.5 relative pronouns pronomes relativos
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12.5.7 those quanto


12.6 interrogative pronoun pronome interrogativo
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12.6.4 how many/much quanto

yes I quite understand you, and your quoted quanto is an interrogative pron. as stated in 12.6.4 of my index; but what I really want is the quanto as a relative pron. as stated in 12.5.7 of my index. I can give you example out of my book:
"When Quanto is used as relative pronoun, the antecedent is filled by indefinite pronoun such as tudo, todos and todas, for example:
Soprava dum lado, do outro, e tudo quanto foi de garrancho e folha seca se juntou num canto só.(Winds blow from a side, from the other, and all those yellow leaves and dry branches are carried into a single corner.
sometimes we omit the antecedent, so quanto works both as the antecedent and the relative pron:
Entre quantos te rodeiam, Tu não enxergas teus pais.
(Within those surrounding you, You did not view your parents.)
........................
so can you give me the EN equivalent of the quanto in the context?
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LOOK: I WROTE IT IN BOLD LETTERS TO DIFFER YOURS FROM MINE, OK?


12.5 relative pronouns pronomes relativos CORRECT AND THEY ARE= O QUE, QUE, QUANDO,CUJO,. etc......

12.5.7 those quanto -THOSE IN PORTUGUESE MEANS - ESTES , ESTAS, AQUELES, AQUELAS...= DEMONSTRATIVE PRONOUNS .

12.6 interrogative pronoun pronome interrogativo CORRECT - THEY ARE THE SAME AS ABOVE BUT IN QUESTIONS : QUANDO? ONDE? O QUE? QUAL?..ETC......

12.6.4 how many/much quanto HOW MANY = PLURAL SO YOU SAY "QUANTOS, QUANTAS" (M/F) BUT MUCH IS : "QUANTO , QUANTA" (M/F) BUT REMEMBER THEY ARE SINGULAR ONES OR FOR NO COUNTABLES.


yes I quite understand you, and your quoted quanto is an interrogative pron. as stated in 12.6.4 of my index; but what I really want is the quanto as a relative pron. as stated in 12.5.7 of my index. I can give you example out of my book:

"When Quanto is used as relative pronoun, the antecedent is filled by indefinite pronoun such as tudo, todos and todas, for example: ...BE CAREFULL...WE DO NOT MIX "QUANTO + TUDO, TODO " FREQUENTLY. IN YOUR CONTEXT IS OK BUT IT IS WRONG TO SAY LIKE THAT IN SOME OTHER CASES. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE PORTUGUESE SPEAK LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THIS KIND OF JOINING (QUANTO TUDO / TODO) IN ITALIAN "TUTTE QUANTE" BUT IN BRAZIL THAT IS NOT SPOKEN.


SO:


Soprava dum lado, do outro, e tudo quanto foi de garrancho e folha seca se juntou num canto só.(Winds blow from a side, from the other, and all those yellow leaves and dry branches are carried into a single corner.
sometimes we omit the antecedent, so quanto works both as the antecedent and the relative pron:

YOUR TRANSLATION FOR "TUDO QUANTO" IN THIS SENTENCE IS NOT WRONG BUT I WOULD TRANSLATE LIKE THAT:

" OS VENTOS SOPRAM (? BLOW IN THE PRESENT OR PAST TENSE? BLEW OR BLOWS? SOPRAM = PRESENT and SOPRARAM = PAST TENSE) DE UM LADO A OUTRO, E AQUELAS FOLHAS AMARELAS E GALHOS SECOS SÃO ( OR IS IT PAST TENSE?????SÃO = PRESENT and FORAM = PAST TENSE) CARREGADOS PARA UM CANTO (or ESQUINA).

Entre quantos te rodeiam, Tu não enxergas teus pais.
(Within those surrounding you, You did not view your parents.) CORRECT
BUT WE DO NOT SPEAK LIKE THAT LOL......WE WOULD SAY INSTEAD: ENTRE TANTOS QUE TE RODEIAM...so can you give me the EN equivalent of the quanto in the context?


[B]AS I SAID.. DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU APPLY QUANTO + TUDO or TODO, SOMETIMES CAN BE WRONG AND NOT SAID AS A GOOD PORTUGUESE.IN THE CASE ABOVE, IT GIVES A KIND OF EMPHASIS, "EACH LEAF AND EACH BRANCH.." = ALL OF THEM, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.[/b]

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