the Middle Earth

Lavie · 04-01-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

500 years ago, a legend in China's Wild West said that a monk and his three disciples woult (would ?) travel from the Middle Earth to the city of Shache to collect a bundle of century-old sutras.

Selon-vous, on doit traduire "depuis les Terres du milieu" ou " depuis l'intérieur des terres" ? Ou encore "depuis la Chine (Tchong-kouo ; litt. « Pays du Milieu »)...

Merci à l'avance !

The_FD · 04-01-2006, 08:30 PM

Alors pris tout seul middle earth c'est au centre de la terre pour moi. Mais sans plus de contexte c'est difficile...
C'est de l'anglais traduit du chinois? auquel cas c'est vrai qu'il y a peut etre une meprise avec l'empire du milieu

chinoise · 04-02-2006, 01:12 AM

FD, I think this is a question for the Chinese forum. Can you move this thread?

chinoise · 04-02-2006, 01:51 AM

En chinois, the middle earth veut dire 中土, ca veut dire le centre de la chine, du pays, au centre de la terre, ou la terre centrale.

I'm afraid I have to explain in English.

China has been a big and proud country in the East for more than 5000 years. It always thought it was in the middle of the earth geograhically. Besides the middle part of China, other smaller tribes are also under China's rule, but geographically they're not in the middle, but to the west, i.e the tribes among the border. This situation is somewhat like the Ryushu islands and Hawaii and Guam nowdays. 中土 refers to the main/middle part of China.

The story in English is The Journey to the West, diff from its french translation. The West means India, and the story was about the Chinese monk and his students going to India to get the books on Buddhism.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Voyage_en_Occident.

Pluiepoco, could you give more explanation on 中土?

The_FD · 04-02-2006, 09:44 AM

Oui mais Lavie nous dira si c'est effectivement traduit du chinois ou non...

Lavie · 04-02-2006, 03:39 PM

Merci beaucoup ! C'est exactement ce que je voulais savoir !

En fait, c'est aussi que Shache soit en Chine qui me faisait hésiter, si je comprends bien on peut considérer Shache comme extérieur à l'Empire du Milieu à l'époque du récit ?

Oui, c'est traduit du chinois. Il s'agit du film "A Chine Tall Story".

chinoise · 04-03-2006, 02:13 AM

Bonjour,

http://www.greatestcities.com/Asia/C...ache_city.html

Shache is in Xinjiang. The people in Xinjiang are considered as one of the minority tribes, so it's not in the middle of China. In Chinese history, China had had conflicts with many small countries in the border, and tried to make peace with them. China was such a big country and it had problem looking after itself. It's policy was to prevent other countries from attacking itself and to make peace. It didn't want to rule those small countries since they had their own language and kings and culture. For countries that were defeated in wars, as long as they paid tribute and sent gifts to China every year and acknowledged China was the big brother, China was at peace with them.

Btw, I've never heard of a version about going to Shache. The original Chinese text is 天竺， which most people agree to be India.

04-01-2006, 08:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,280 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	Alors pris tout seul middle earth c'est au centre de la terre pour moi. Mais sans plus de contexte c'est difficile... C'est de l'anglais traduit du chinois? auquel cas c'est vrai qu'il y a peut etre une meprise avec l'empire du milieu __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
(Offline)

04-02-2006, 01:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
chinoise International Forum Fan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 511 Blog Entries: 1 chinoise has a spectacular aura about	FD, I think this is a question for the Chinese forum. Can you move this thread?
(Offline)

04-02-2006, 01:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
chinoise International Forum Fan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 511 Blog Entries: 1 chinoise has a spectacular aura about	En chinois, the middle earth veut dire 中土, ca veut dire le centre de la chine, du pays, au centre de la terre, ou la terre centrale. I'm afraid I have to explain in English. China has been a big and proud country in the East for more than 5000 years. It always thought it was in the middle of the earth geograhically. Besides the middle part of China, other smaller tribes are also under China's rule, but geographically they're not in the middle, but to the west, i.e the tribes among the border. This situation is somewhat like the Ryushu islands and Hawaii and Guam nowdays. 中土 refers to the main/middle part of China. The story in English is The Journey to the West, diff from its french translation. The West means India, and the story was about the Chinese monk and his students going to India to get the books on Buddhism. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Voyage_en_Occident. Pluiepoco, could you give more explanation on 中土? Last edited by chinoise; 04-02-2006 at 02:09 AM.
(Offline)

04-02-2006, 09:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
The_FD flying dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris France Posts: 4,280 The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold The_FD is a splendid one to behold	Oui mais Lavie nous dira si c'est effectivement traduit du chinois ou non... __________________ L'histoire de la famille Bourdillon Les fêtes d'Hébé The flying dancer dancing
(Offline)

04-02-2006, 03:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lavie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 247 Lavie is an unknown character at this point	Merci beaucoup ! C'est exactement ce que je voulais savoir ! En fait, c'est aussi que Shache soit en Chine qui me faisait hésiter, si je comprends bien on peut considérer Shache comme extérieur à l'Empire du Milieu à l'époque du récit ? Oui, c'est traduit du chinois. Il s'agit du film "A Chine Tall Story".
(Offline)

04-03-2006, 02:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
chinoise International Forum Fan Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 511 Blog Entries: 1 chinoise has a spectacular aura about	Bonjour, http://www.greatestcities.com/Asia/C...ache_city.html Shache is in Xinjiang. The people in Xinjiang are considered as one of the minority tribes, so it's not in the middle of China. In Chinese history, China had had conflicts with many small countries in the border, and tried to make peace with them. China was such a big country and it had problem looking after itself. It's policy was to prevent other countries from attacking itself and to make peace. It didn't want to rule those small countries since they had their own language and kings and culture. For countries that were defeated in wars, as long as they paid tribute and sent gifts to China every year and acknowledged China was the big brother, China was at peace with them. Btw, I've never heard of a version about going to Shache. The original Chinese text is 天竺， which most people agree to be India. Last edited by chinoise; 04-03-2006 at 03:00 AM.
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
[WP] Tensions continue to rise in Middle East over "Mohammad Cartoons"	News	News and articles	0	02-04-2006 01:00 AM
Welcome to Middle Eastern Languages	btsegypt	Various sites about translation and linguistics, sites de traduction et linguistiques divers Andere	9	08-24-2005 11:06 PM
No meio do caminho - In the middle of the road	_\|h\|A\|R\|D\|y\|__\|b\|U\|d\|d\|Y\|	Learn portuguese (portuguese lessons!)	3	07-20-2005 06:25 PM
EARTH LANGUAGE.	News	Language hat	0	03-11-2005 02:00 PM
Moyen-Orient :: middle east airlines	News	Le tour du monde	0	11-25-2004 04:10 PM