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The people appearing on the pictures are mostly of Arab, most places and architectures are of Arabic style, except the late ones that seem like Spanish style, but look at the sign poles beside each building, why there are Arabic and French at the same time, Asm and Xps, can you tell me why Moroccan people speak three languages, do you have your own local languages?
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In Moroccan, population speaks both Arabic and Berber, depending on which region they live in or come from..
But for French, it's because we are under French colonisation for many years, and when we got our independance, French touches were still there everywhere (It was Spanish Influence in the north)..So now, we are kinda a bilingual country, taking in consideration Standard Arabic and French as official languages in most administrations. We start studying French since our 3rd year at school (from 2n year now with the new programme), and that explains why most Moroccan people speak French fluently. In my region, Spanish isn't that common.. |
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When I searched your local language "berber" in a e-dictionary, I got this:
Berber AHD:[bûr“b…r] D.J.:[6b*8b*] K.K.:[6b)b+] n. A member of a North African, primarily Moslem people living in settled or nomadic tribes from Morocco to Egypt. 柏柏尔北非成员国之一,主要居民为穆斯林人或从摩洛哥移居埃及的游牧部落 Any of the Afro-Asiatic languages of the Berbers. 柏柏尔语柏柏尔人讲的亚非语言中一种 Arabic Barbar 阿拉伯语 Barbar Ber“ber adj Then I guess the berber language is something like Weiwuer in Northwest China, it is of Turkish, and the people speaking this language is called Weiwuer people, but 200 years ago they moved into Central China and changed their nomandic life into farming life, and then we called that removed race as Hui, and Hui nowadays become a minority nation in China. Although Hui people and Weiwuer people are of the same origin, when asked whether they are of the same race, they deny it definitely. And in another sense, the Hui people takes Arabic as their mother language, though they learn Chinese perfectly good, since they are Chinese-nized. When I consulted languages books in my university library, I knew that Weiwuer is a Turkish branch, so Weiwuer language belongs to Turkish language, and in old times we called Weiwuer people as Turkey man 突厥人, like those in South Russia, Kirgizstan, Turkmenistan and so on these --stans. We Chinese call them all as Turkish, because they are from the ancient Turkey, in Chinese we call Turkey as 土耳其,the modern name of 突厥. I'm always feeling strange that, the Hui and Weiwuer people are turkish but they know arabic, and take it as their own language, and they are all muslim, they dislike pig and meat. In most Chinese people's eyes, the muslim should all speak Arabic, but the fact is not. I cannot find if there is difference between the language Turkish and Arabic, but actually they do have, except that I really don't know, can you tell me? And in a comparison I guess that Berber people should be another branch of Arabic when their ancestors moved into Egypt and North Africa, they developed their Arabic in combination of that of Egypt and Mediterranean languages, maybe Greek, But I don't know either so I cannot make a research, if you can, please do it. I just guess it should be the same as Hui and Weiwuer in China. Another Thing, barbar is the Arabic name of Berber, but Barbar itself means wild man or something like, saying uncultured race especially nomandic race. And the Hui and Weiwuer and other old nomandic nations around China is also called barbar by old China, it can be retrieved in English version The History of World or The Decline of Roman Empire. Maybe the berber people is only a branch of Arabic Muslim moved into north Africa, and the berber is branch of Arabic. If not, it must be turkish, in my view. Last edited by pluiepoco; 06-15-2005 at 04:33 PM. |
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Talking about relationship between Trukish language and Arabic language, I can tell you the first one takes much of the second one! Many words are common between the two languages, but with different styles and spellings..Anyway, we write with the Arabic alphabet, while Turkish is written with Latin alphabet with extra special letters.
I also, most of the same, think that any Muslim should speak Arabic in order to understand well the Quran, but unfortunately not all muslim nations speak Arabic.. For myself, I would say that I am Arab by language, but I am Berber by ethny! Please do refer to this link : http://www.answers.com/Berber , in order to know more about it. It's said there that the origins of the language are unknown, but one thing is sure, the original population of North Africa are Berber, whether they are now Arab or Berber. |
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In China, The Chinese Turkish is written in Arabic Alphabet, and when Russia influenced China in the 1950s, Chinese Turkish was written in Russian Alphabet, so as Mongol written in their own alphabet but in those old days it is written in Russian alphabet, and till today the Republic of Mongol between China and Russia (The Republic of Mongol is indepent from China in 1921) applies Russian alphabet as their mongol spelling and pronouncing. So if you said that Turkish is written in Latin or Arabic, I don't quite agree with you on the topic that "Turkish comes from Arabic", if so, I would say that "Mongol comes from Russian" or "Arabic/Turkish comes from Russian", but apparently they are not.
If you know Chinese, see: http://tech.163.com/04/1026/16/13KORKNC000915TG.html It talks about Arab, Persia, Berber, China Tang, India, Spain, France, Italy, and Asia. Last edited by pluiepoco; 06-15-2005 at 05:05 PM. |
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I did not say Turkish comes from Arabic, I said, Turkish takes a lot from Arabic, and to me , there is a huge difference :D
You can just have a look in the Turkish forum, and see how many words are really coming absolutely from Arabic. Here we are talking about similarities! Thanks anyway for all the information you have given :-) |
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Bible says that a group of middle east people was led to Egypt but then they were massacreed, and fled out of Egypt, Then I guess that some of them fled to Berber, that is why Berber language become so different from these middle east languages, because they were divided away from their own language and culture for more than 2000 years. From the Time of Bible. Do you agree?
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