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Russpin 01-23-2010 02:05 PM

Thank you design24_7. I'll try that too.

design24_7 01-23-2010 05:08 PM

Found your mark
 
Found in Japanese Cloisonne Enamels: A private collector's notes and reference guide, Gary H. Yoshino.

Seimin
Unverified artist or manufacturer trademark. Detailed signature consisting of nine kanji characters. From left to right, top to bottom. "Dai Nip-pon" (Great Japan), Bus-sei nen" (during Bunsei period), "Sei-min shinchu" (made of alloy or brass) by Seimin. Research reveals that the Bunsei era lasted twelve years from 1818-1830.

Russpin 01-23-2010 05:38 PM

Oh my, Oh my!
This is very exciting! Thank you so much!! Here is another bronze vase with exactly the same mark. Japanese Bronze Vase Marked Seimin.
I can't post the URL address for it.
But thank you for the lead!! Of course it's hard to tell if mine is original or a copy.

design24_7 01-23-2010 05:51 PM

One way to tell if its a copy of the quality of the casting. If you look at my vase, you'll see smudges and what looks like rubbing (in odd places). Plus, the poor quality of the mark (see smudge). They are also other way of testing the patina. Do a search online and test on small area of bottom. Or, you could take it to a local auction house for an appraisal. Just make sure they deal in Asian antiques. Too many times I've seen people get appraisals from "antique dealers" that know nothing about asian antiques and either wrongly identify or assign a inflated value. Good luck!

design24_7 01-23-2010 05:52 PM

oops, sorry for all the typos in last post....

One more thing...do not clean the vase...unless it has a big chunk of stuff you can just pick off. Cleaning the patina off any antique metal (except silver) greatly reduces the value.

Russpin 01-25-2010 12:18 AM

Oh yes, NO cleaning.
Now I also can tell that there are some parts of the vessel look like they were "welded". I mean it's very unlikely that someone could mold the whole thing. Would that be an indication that this is an artifact of a later era. (and so the famous mark was just used to increase the value)

design24_7 01-25-2010 03:17 AM

I can't say. I collect japanese enamels and don't have that much experience with bronze/metalwork. But, my vase had a visible seam on the inside. Not something you should see if it was a cast piece. I would consult a dealer.

FYI: I just say a "silver" copy of the vase I posted above on ebay. Seller is in China. What are the chances of that.


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