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Originally Posted by ferenk
May I say that I firmly disagree with you, Moon? On one hand, you put at the same level the believers and the unbelievers : but you can't compare faith and reason. I mean, the second one is, by nature, shared and universal. So it has to be, by nature, discussed. Whereas faith is, as you say, a "personal relationship to God", and then too intimate and private to be explained. Is one then condemned to stay alone in front of God? I don't think so. Let's take an example : my vision "m'est propre, et je ne peux la communiquer à autrui". But my reason can describe and explain what I see. Why shouldn't it be the same with God? On the second hand, you seem to admit the religious relationship as a "fondement", and then describe it as difficult or easy. But how can you suppose what you just have to proove? (I hope I'm not agressive, it's just the warm of philosophic discussion - by the way, please all of you excuse my limited English...)
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You're welcome to express your disagreement on any of my ideas, Ferenk - it is a fruitful dialogue out of which I have a lot to learn from. The main thing is, probably, to understand as accurate as possible the other's stand.
Let me also add that in my opinion your English is crystal clear. There, let's go on with it then.
Perhaps we could agree on the fact that belivers and nonbelivers share at least one experience in common, which is the Search for God. The result of this capital search is, for the belivers - that they find Him, and for the nonbelivers - that they don't find Him. Faith becomes, in this light, an instrument of dealing with God, and reason - an instrument of dealing with the lack of God.
Reason is splendidly down to earth. It is a marvellous tool for describing and explaining most of our earthly experiences. Most of them, but not all.
Could God be explained? Described? Filtered through reason? Well... yes, He could. Up to a point. At least that's what Rene Guenon has attempted and briantlly managed in his works.
The good news is that somehow, someway, God seems to find the ways and the means of prooving Himself to those who are looking for Him. Which is awfully nice of Him, considering the disconfort brought by all this doubt and striving to get nearer or away from Him
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